Ken Bean

Its not a good solution for the nonissue, it instead just creates a visual inconsistency, breaking the 3rd person view in a weird way.

Well you just want hear what you want to hear. This discussion stile indeed has something to do with the discussion.And let me add, a typical ad hominem is more like if someone would have said: "you have no balls, you are a pussy, thats why you play 3rd person." Saying you are not my speaker, as you seemed to think, is just a valid point. Also pointing out that your preference in validating points is a bit... strange.

This is no add hominem argument. Its just the truth.I didnt made you my speaker, you are not willing to listen.

Well, if I ever made you to my speaker, please resign, you are not representing my interrests, just yours.Others and me btw already said what they like and what not. you just failed to listen.

You are not speaking for 3rd person players. You laugh at them, forgotten?However. Cant remember having made you to my speaker.

However, lost interrest in your "findings", preference still is no reason for you? Everything just pearls downs, cant get anything through, is not willing to accept choice to play on 1st/3rd person server, only pushing what he doesnt even know himself (considerations)... If he even would have a solution... How on earth can you argue with that? Doesnt even know or value the concepts of choice and preference. :-/ Debating with a plank looks to be more promising. Im also gettin feed up with "youtube video proves". Holy christ, why should I abondon the game design I like just because some Joe did think he has something to bitch about?

Come on, his is the same old news. And yes I'm thinking this may drive me out of the game. Hope you are celebrating this on your 1st person server.I know you said 3rd person has no purpose, sure it was it worth for you to fight that fight, right?

You indeed are a winner.

Awesome, then we dont need 1st person server any more. Lets reunite the playerbase?Anyway, I realy hope that you are even playing it, whatever they do. Would be sad if major "lets fix them" would be a first person player. Then please stick to it after but your booty on so many.

Of cause not. They knew its a wall and everything behind walls always used to be save, so they didnt bother to watch their backs.

Oh, thought there was new info, not that vague.

When, where, how?

So maybe suppressing and flanking is no longer being in disadvantage against peeking?I thought thats why 1st person locked server are good for. And the majority didnt vote, but is playing on 3rd person server. :-/ You certainly have a source or sth?

And if you flank, they stare you to death first by peeking around? So that peeker whipes out the suppressor and the flankee without getting in trouble? I thought he would need to use weapons or something.Could be they patched that lately? This is slowly turning into a pos thread. Peeking on sight. ;) The new terror arising.

Incomparable, awesome. But yeah, at least WoW doesnt have any 1st person server one could join alternatively.

There havent even most player voted. And I didnt, cause it was cheated.

Sight, word order is irrelevant. Yes, your own poll basically says that you should join a 1st person server. Why the heck you needed a poll for in the very first place? Too undicided to make an own decission?

Not sure, does it help to find that 1st person server? Where that exploit is impossible?You know, there already are "fixed" server. Are they not existing or too full to be able to join a server where the "exploit" already is fixed and impossible? Is that word order right? I can edit if you want.

I dont know how this looks to you but I dont want to take anything away from this guy who loves 1st person so much that he decided to bitch all 3rd person player.Call me whatever you want, I just stand for my prefered point of view.

But holy Jesus, is it really so hard to join a 1st person server? I know, I so often did, strangely worked. :-/

Thats flanking, not suppressing.

You may try it from left to right.

On the ground, on objects, not in the air.Wait, did you just...? Funny though.

You know that weapons happen to make sounds and bullets make traces? Okay, point, in real life they make traces. In the game not. Then you are going with your deadly sight and kill the surpressor by peeking? Peeking really grimm hard, I suppose.This is so pointless. ^^ Problem: How do you kill the suppressor by peeking? He cant see how grimm you stare. So thing would be, after you peek killed him, you still need to go out of cover and using weapons to fire back. Useless tonsay that the surpressor will loese that fight, since he is so desoriented from the grimm peeking part.

If you use suppression fire they already know you are there and you know they are there. In order to shoot back, they would need to run into your fire, so supression works.Suppression fire not used to go ninja stealth anyway. To me the topics has been solved long ago, by having two types of server and soon, two separated hives. That splitting the playerbase argument is plain bullshit. Sorry, but the playerbase already is split. In niht and day people, in server populations - only up to 40 people csn join a server - what the heck are you calling split anyway? Who gives a fuck if you join server a or server b or if you make something really surprising, playing on a 1st personnserver. I dont care and I play on what server I want. There is no need to be united with folks which doesnt enjoy the game as I do.