Ken Bean

If you want to contribute to the development progress, then bugs should be reported - not be complained about like cray on the forums. I also doubt that ranting about it does anything good. As said countless times, they are developing most parts of DayZ new. That means they are not just "copy and pasting" old code. We get new models, new textures, new game mechanics and step by step new sounds, which currently are placeholders. Developing things new is a very time consuming job and in regards of source code, the progress is not exactly "visible". Yeah, people want some fancy new stuff and they want it now, but that's just a question of time until we get it. I'm not the one who says that, but I sometimes actually do play the mod myself. It helps to see the differences.

Not sure about everyone, but in general you should be right. Well, just a thought, is it really the right way to complain about everything folk comes across in a quite rude manner (as seen so many times)? Thing is, no one has something about constructive criticism. But this angry posts full of exorbitant (and often pointless) demands that screw over everything positive that has been done ... I can't see how that could help. That crying about bugs ... in an alpha ... :rolleyes:

Okay so there's that guy, who can't play in 1st person. So he only can play in 3rd person. Now he goes mad because he's playing in 3rd person but he can see things he could not see if he hypothetically would play in 1st person??? Err... nope. Don't buy this. I'd like to see the attest of the 3 people who can't play in 1st person - and the same time complain about the 3rd person view. This, to me sounds like having really strange issues. Two things come together which in this case quadruple all problems possible. It's just like using common sense. If I were unable to play in 1st person view, I would be like: "Holy shit, there's 3rd person view, a.w.e.s.o.m.e!!!" Nope, I wouldn't start complaining about "3rd person view = cheating". Definately not. But I indeed would think that someone who argues unfair, who desperatly tries to make every point he thinks what would be justified, who even would play this card... might come from that direction.

Sure I have rtesponded, made them all green. :D Did you read all my posts? Did you respond to all of them? No? ... That's fine, problem solved. Errr, what's your problem with 3rd person then? Shouldn't it be disabled on 1st person server? Edit I knew this would convince you. ;) There's no sword sharper than Eli's sword. :thumbsup:

But your points are all lame, rubish, irrelevant and even more absurd. So if 3rd person is the the mother of all evil (lame stuff and so on) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . why don't you play on 1st person server? Maybe 1st person server are too hard for ya-self, hmm? *btw: is this a contest who's more harder or sth? In this case I'd request a no person view, the zero vision, like in the film The Book of Eli.

So does that mean they really are going to accelerate the time? :-/ can we have a different more blueish overlay instead of greyish-white for these distant landscapes? or do we already have seasons in experimental :o! for reference: http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/215ak9/suggestion_change_the_color_of_the_distance_fog/ Looks like a LOD / texture "issue". Probably a typical alpha feature, since the lod usually is not generated in the very first place, because changes will still be made and so on anyway.

Yep, I believe for example implementing vehicles definately is a bigger one which takes it's time and still there most likely are plenty bugs to expect. Meanwhile they'll have to test, optimize and fix a lot. Mind, other persistent things are yet to come. Yeah, of cause sometimes I feel like being impatient too but I have faith and know things can take a while. I see the progress and think they are doing a great job. Don't know what to say more. ^^

Okay, they say there's a problem. Let's see... Small things are thrown in frequently. Bigger things come in bigger time frames. Development is going forward. Yes, there are bugs. Yes, they are going to be fixed. It's a work in progress. They decided to go beyond the limititations of the mod, so they have to code and create a lot of new stuff. ... So far so good. Err, where the heck the problem was?

Frankly, there's an ongoing argument for years now and I think it's quite save to say that those who constantly attempt to break and sabotage the 3rd person view while accusing 3rd person players for cheating etc. are so narrow-minded, that they won't accept another opinion than theirs in the foreseeable future. In other words: I doubt that there's any way to open the minds of those who are not willing to accept the simple choice that both - 1st person and 3rd person server - are being available. Why should anyone accept the twist of the burden of proof (which would be on you) only to be ignored and ridiculed all over again and again - like in all of those looping threads?

I like the idea of some kind of fire system. Of cause it's unrealistic to burn an entire wood in this scenario but a dry field... As long as it looks beatifull, why not?

Exactly. Two seperated hives => two gameplay stiles available to chose from => both won't affect each other => folks can play what they enjoy most (or for the extremists here: Yes, you can chose the playstile which definetely is the one and only justified way to play a game) as they wish. Problem solved, everyone is happy - well except the tiny but vocal "there-only-can-be-one-thing,-because-choice-is-the-mother-of-evil-minority". To them I say: You demand challenge? You are the hardcore of the hardcorest? - Then face the most terrifing thing on earth: c.h.o.i.c.e.* * successfully confuses 1st person only purists since the 3rd person view has been invented Now I see some still demand more, so... - Nope, the 3rd person view is not unfair. Everyone can use it. - Nope, 3rd person is not an exploit. It's game design intentionally built in to be used by everyone who wishes so. - Nope, 3rd person is not broken. It's a very well working game feature. - Nope, 3rd person is not less immersive. The clumsy and limited 1st person view breaks the immerson more effectively. - Nope, you can't prove that 1st person is the only legit way to play the game. It's just your opinion, because you personally may favour one over the other. - Nope, the restricted and imperfect 1st person view alone is not more realistic. - Nope, breaking the visual consistency does not improve the game. - Yes, the game intends to be more than a death match. Seeing your character doing survival stuff actually helps to create a survival feeling. - Yes, peeking around a corner without being seen can be a tactic to get into advantage over someone or to avoid certain situations. It's a real life tactics, not unrealistic. - Yes, there already is a very well working solution for those who feel threatened by a game feature like the 3rd person view: 1st person only server. - Yes, you still can have "only one". Just ignore the other choice completely and play what you prefer most. No one forces you to play both ways. - Yes, the playerbase already is split. In tiny server nibbles of around about 40 player currently. There won't ever be a united playerbase where everone plays on one server anyway. - Yes, I absolutely mean what I wrote. I read the points, watched the explanations, played the game both ways and I'm absolutely not convinced that the 3rd person view "needs to be fixed". - Yes, I know that whatever you say or do, you can't please everyone anyways. Some are not willing to accept certain things for the sake of winning the discussion. - Yes, giving chocolate lovers chocolate and strawberry lovers strawberry is a valid, working and confirmed successfull practice to solve such differences of opinion. :thumbsup: Protip for those who like chocolate and strawberry: Play on 3rd person enabled server and use numpad-enter frequently. Edit Added some points.

No need to twist around. I know what I said and I absolutely mean it that way. No, i'm not your opinion. --> 3rd person view is not an exploit - that's mine. Just try to accept it.

As already said, I don't like that "fix" for various reason. One is that we already get seperated hives, which is a way better solution gameplaywise. Adding the 4th wall on top of it in my opinion is just kind of sheding blood without any cause. There are loads of folks that like the 3rd person view as it is.

This isn't even the point. There was no issue besides of the dude just connected, shot and disconnected. The disconnect was the point. No clue what the 3rd person / 1st person discussion is doing here yet again.

Nope, we already checked the whole fire station including the roof. He just spawned there, shot and disconnected.

Well maybe it's a new experience to join a 1st person locked server the first time, but in my experience it's getting old, boring and oppressive (due to limitations) very soon. Everyone has their favours after all.

Sigh, what has this useless 1st person / 3rd person debate has to do here? Yeah, regardless how pointless it will be, blame it to the devil. :-/ Anyway, the NWAF is an area full of campers. A friend of mine and me were looting the airfield, searched south east hangars, the barracks, fire station, tower etc. then I decided to go for the 2 remaining north east hangars. Since my friend got it wrong he headed to the south east hangars, we were split. Almost there I heard shots. My friend died, has been shot by someone frome the fire station who just server jumped or whatever. I decided to take revenge and tried to sneak past him without being seen, which took half an hour. I couldn't find him but was suprised to find my mates body fully equiped. So the killer obviously joined the server, shot my friend and logged out. It was a "non-pvp" server. We didn't payed that much attention, its just a name, people don't give a shit. My friend was new to the game and I told him in advance that he shouldn't rely on it, should be ready to fiht etc. He chose the server, it was his first time on the airfield. After he died, he of cause was disappointed and I told him, that there are some player that join non-pvp server only to kill someone. Well it still looked pretty idiotic. The *pownser* that joined the server only to do his "righteous deed" (to punish everyone who dares to join a non-pvp server), just did more wrong against the nature of the game than any non-pvp player one could imagine. The irony generally seems to be strong in Dayz.^^

There are some interesting points which have been rised by the op. I for myself have always been a fan of apocalyptic settings. Since DayZ I realized that an apocalypse can be set equal to "idiots rule the world". Nothing different you may say, but idiots + guns without any law is the worst scenario of the worst.I actually almost lost interest in apocalyptic szenarios at all. The Fallout games left, since they happen to provide some room for self-fulfilment. And that's the point I always liked in apocalyptic settings. The cards have been shuffled, more possabilities, more freedom... but apparently you'll just meet a bunch of maniacs powning everyone who's not pownning first. So it kind of lost its flavour. The apocalypse became uninteresting and boring - only the kingdom of those who want to shoot everyone into the face. Or, another lame excuse for being a sociopath? However the cards have been mixed new, but nothing new seems to happen. Maybe its even more realistic, since it is society what gives us room and freedom enough for self-fulfilment.

That's just obsession.

Yeah, don't care on what server you play. Either way, it's fine. Just wondering why the 1st person lover are not getting over it. They are discussion that most, even recording videos, 3d animations whatnot. And again, polls and polls and polls started by them. Strange.

Tha't exactly how this pissing contest started. Frankly, I have absolutely no clue what you 1st person lover want from 3rd person player. You talk and explain, just plain pointless. Yeah, you think 1st person server are better. Fine. Who cares? Go play on your precious server. Instead you spam the forums with this nonsense over and over. Bah, not only this boring repetive arguments, also this discussion stile full of insults and what not. Aren't you bored yourself? There's a life outsite. Why wasting it with this nonsense? There are 1st person server and 3rd person server. - Whoa! - That's the big deal you can't accept...

And you either know what we don't or you are just daydreaming. Lets let the devs do what they enjoy most.

Yeah, I dont quite get it. You insist in calling yourself neutral, yet it is very apparent that you only argue against one group.Well I'm not neutral, I stand to my opinion. I also don't claim to be, this would be just unfair. You started that ad hominem thing. You discovered it in a thread full of ad hominem arguments pretty late, and surprisingly as I said, that you are not my speaker and not listening. I'd call this also quite odd. Nope, I don't buy your neutral position. Twisting the knife is what you do. Stop it, accept that peoples are having a choice and we can move on.

Yeah, you seems to me too one sided. Anyway, that's an argumentum ad hominem btw, that troll caling.

Nope, not buying this.