Ken Bean

Not really, but it gives a bit back of your rl awareness. And of cause there are devices in real life which even go far beyond the fird person view. Drones, cams, optical devices, ... even satellites.

Yeah, but I mean compared to real life. In rl you have way better chances to hide. You have not similar buildings everywhere with exact same shapes. A sniper could tarn his head easily like a smokestak or sth. You couldnt tell the difference until you are very close or until he moves. Or he just would snipe from the window of the floor under the roof out of the dark. Sometimes I have the feeling that folks forget how many possibilities there are in rl. In DayZ all buildings are kind of empty, all types look the same, many shapes are repeating.

In real life having a sniper somewhere is nothing which would be easy to spot. If he is somewhere in the bushes, you wont see anything. If hes in a house he could watch you through a window without you could notice him because e.g. of reflections in the window, because it is dark inside or because of a courtain. If he's on a roof, you have a better chance spotting him, if you get into a higher position. If he's just in the middle of the roof using only his ears if someone tries to sneak through the town, making noises sooner or later, you wont see him from the ground level anyway.

Couldn't it rather be that the 'magical eye' makes you feel more unsave? In most situations you can use it too, e.g. you could have a peek into the house. I always thought that the 'hidden danger' is a major part of the game. Besides of that there are not many roofs to get to. In real life you would use a mirror or sth like this to have a look around a corner.

Long ago there was kind of a war between players about which view is the better one, 1st person and 3rd person. Then came the shooter years and almost every game out there was a 1st person game. I never understood this because I always saw advantages in both. I love to play games like Gothic in a 3rd person view and I absolutely fail to understand how someone could even think of playing such a game in 1st person only. Anyway, since a few years developer frequently put the ability in to switch the view between 1st and 3rd person and yes, that's exactly my thing. I love to run around in 3rd p and if it comes to fights, I sometimes switch to 1st person, depends. However shooting in 3rd person or shoulder cam sometimes also has its moments. Now I know that some of you always had some strange issues with 3rd person views in general (some even claim that they litteraly cant play in 3rd p) and some of you really make serious professional sport gaming out of it. But for me who just plays games because of the fun, I don't see how my fun could be raised by taking away the 3rd person view. I just dont get why some seems to favour having only one hand instead of two. Its strange but I actually have a better ingame feeling if I see the whole character. Maybe because I see how the char behaves in game, if he kneels, lies, stands, crouches, prones... and where exactly. I dont have that kind of feedback in 1st person. There I just know the char is crouching (lowered view, maybe slower etc), but I cant see the whole story.

Yes and I found it incredible annoying, even in the editor without zeds or npcs.

Utilizing the 1st person line of sight could be the way to go. It just doesnt look very nice. Edit And Jamz has a point. It may remind the player too much that killing is the reason for. Maybe if someone really is interested in pvp, servers with locked 1st person should be the way to go. Otherwhise, if most player use to play on server which allow 3rd person, this probably just means that most people like the view. So you probably would disappoint most player who are not so firm in pvp aspects and just like to switch a bit the view.

As said, under bottom line I don't see a problem utilizing the 3rt person view. Last time I have been shot by a player it was in Berezino at night. The dude was camping all night long with a M249 SAW and a bag full of food on the balcony of one of the new buildings with night vision googles. I came near, didn't see or hear anything and died. On the video I recorded I just was able to spot the muzzle flash instantly before I bite the dust. I was in 3rd person. Peeking around a corner wouldn't have done anything. Managed to kill him with the next char without rising an eyebrow. Behind the new building is the super market. I sneaked through it and used the chat to talk to him. Which made him courious. After I told him that Im in the super market I heard bones breaking on the footpath. He felt from the roof as he tried to get a clean shot on me. He probably was in 1st person, prone over the roof and didnt realize that he went a bit too far ... Was unintended but funny. Got at least my NVG. :D

Its quite a difference if you usally have five and in DayZ you only can rely on two senses. Not even talking about the quality of the remaining two.

But you must admit that you have another awareness in rl than in game. So moving through an almost natural environement in DayZ feels in 1st person kind of cut, like wearing blinders.

But you cant smell and feel in the game. In real life you can. You also can locate sounds and distances way better. If you lie in a bush you litterally feel if you are lieing in. The undergrowth is peeking your legs. Moose is wetting your trowser. Birds flying nearby send wind which plays with the hairballs hanging out of your ears. Sun burns your uncovered fingers. Ants are marching through your slip...

And I completely don't get why you 1st person folks just cant seem to see anything else in 3rd person but exploits. I absolutely don't get your views. I think I played DayZ long enough to know that if you want to shoot sth, to use 1st person. Because this is WAAAYY easier to aim and to hit sth. Exploit?

Both views have advantages and disadvantages. Using the right view at the right moment just is another challenge. ;-)

Not really unrealistic. But if Im not mislead I think you cant land that fast in Dayz without damaging sth. You also can drive a car if you blind two third of your windshield. It's just meh. Thats why they dont do it.

Dude, I flew countless times. To really land a heli in a nice spot, you need 3rd p since you absolutely cant tell where you really are without. Maybe the altitute you'll get from the armatures. That not really is a problem. But I landed a hue on the roof of a castle several times and believe me, in 1st person only, you'll not feel like knowing where you are. In real life, you clearly have other problems to face than just not being able to figure out your position in a room. This may sound a little strange, but just knowing where you are is sth which really is build in to humans. Maybe it's a remnand from our ape-like ancestors but we just have an awesome self awarenes in almost every situation in almost every enviroment. Not because of the zeds, but maybe because of natural enemies. If there's a dude somewhere in a radius which can be overseen, you'll spot him. (We for the moment just ignore those awesome abilities to hide and cover - which zeds most of the time dont even try.)

Yeah, you almost can't tell where you are in 1st person. In real life you can easily say so. That's why the 3rd person view gives you a little back in regards of self awareness. In return it almost makes you completely unable to fight. Yeah, I tried so as well and I clearly have to say that not to have a 3rd person view annoys me in almost every game. Maybe I'm too old but I play games since more than 20 years and I can tell: I love 3rd person. Old games most of the time didn't even have a 1st person view. It's like every analog game from monopoly to chess: There's no 1st person and they are immersive as well and thats good and no issue.

The game is not easier in 3rd p. Zeds are as same as hard as in 1st person. Everything is identical to 1st person. Its clearly not a different game. One thing which is different is, you have a better self awarenes of your char and better oversight. You don't feel so cut off, like in 1st person, which actually realy a let down in regards of awareness. And no, 1st person is not realistic. Its like only having one eye instead of two. As said and pointed out. Everyone has the same opportunity to switch from 1st to 3rd person and the other way round. No one has an advantage. Everyone has the same abilities. So under the bottom line, being able to switch two 3rd p is fair for everyone since everyone on such a server can do it. And yes, in real life you actually can "quickly and easily scan for zombies". Its not like they could sneak behind you if you actually use you ability to look through your eyes and turn the head a bit, using ears and stuff. Ever played foodball or soccer? Yes, you know where they are. You have a better oversight but on the other hand you cant figh't properly in 3rdp. You'll not hit if you stand more than 3 m away and maybe move a bit. With the same right you could say "It's just and only the 1st persons view fault! If there were no 1st person, every fight would be equal." (We all have two views, so what? Result is the same.) So yes! I say its all the 1st persons fault. Remove it and we have a perfectly balanced game with equal chances. Prove me wrong if you can. :P

That's scientifically questionable if we presume that most obese specimens don't even have a third person mode. (In rl for most people the 3rd person view already is disabled by default.)

Nope, I go to a less populated with 3rd person view and without the nameplates being shown. I do this because I don't like server which doesn't let me switch the person and because nameplates feel a bit like a cheat. (I know that folks just always turns the mousewheel, which makes it impossible to hide things.) So here you are wrong, player don't always go to the full servers where the heat is pvp whise. Some of them, like me, love to play on almost empty servers at night with loads of flares and stuff. You just can't do that on full servers without frequently being killed. Edit So I think people may like those servers which offer the 3rd person view better. If it would be a disadvantage, they'd go back to 1st-p-only.

Good point. Here's another one.

Truth is, no one would complain about 3rd person if it wouldn't mean an advantage in certain corner camper situations.

But I do switch from 3rd person to 1st person even in single player games like hell. And if someone would remove the 3rd person from Fallout New Vegas, I would extremely disappointed. Being bound to 1st person only is just rubbish in my feel. Cuts off half of the fun. I know, you guys think its unfair but netheretheless all the immersion argument is pointless. Because it's simply not true. That was my point. The 3rd-p-issue is just a side effect of the pvp thing going on.

Nah! Just remove all the weapons. <;-)

I'm pretty certain that the 1st person vs 3rd person discussion is a pvp thing. I do no pvp at all and I dont have anny issues with 3rd person. I just love it all the way. Traveling long distances in 1st person is an incedible pita to me. (Even with turned off head bob.) Edit Would agree. Btw, altering the FOV in 1st person only modes would be no advantage?

Edit I accidentally posted here, no grave digging intended. But this happens with all the vehicles. Best thing is to park it at least 250m out of town.