Ken Bean

If you read tomorrow in the newspaper that the player count on 1st person server increased by nearly infinite percent (from 0 to 1), that was me. I just played two hours. Conclusion: One can get used to, but the movement just unbelievable dorky in closed rooms. Almost died in the barrack with the bank in the door at NW Airfield fighting with the controls and zeds. Plus it lacks a bit fun, feels way more unfree. Besides of the dorkyness in regards of controlls (I surprisingly try to switch to 3rd person in combats quite often and doors seems to be more tricky to open), I came quite a bit around. Found 3 heli crash sites with not so awesome stuff. Was on NW Airfield, looted Vybor, Pustoshka and Stary. Everything by food, is a bit more boring. But I have the feeling that it is not that much more difficult than on 3rd person server. Hardest thing is, that you can lose orientation easier just by looking around a bit fast in certain situations and I somehow didn't really got my controlls (maybe practice will ease that), feels a bit more blind. Finding loot piles at heli crash sites is in dense gras clearly is a pain and can take forever even if you almost know where they are. Don't really see what all the fuss is about. But also didn't have a player encounter. So of cause I cant say if there's something different, even more since I dont focus on pvp anyway.

So you are not able to populate a server? I tell you what. The 3rd person view is not broken and I have no issues with. But if I were the guy, who set up the server, and if I'd read this thread here, I would feel pranked. So why can't you let me my freedom? How about you fucking off? Seriously dude. As long as you can't populate a server you kind of proof that 1) third person is awesome 2) noone cares 1st person only server 3) this whole discussion with all the insults of folks which likes third person just is a vendetta or sth

Someone mentioned there would be no 1st person server in europe, there's a nice one. DE 128 IP 80.242.152.220:2322 Played today 10 minutes alone untill two guys jouned the server. I'd suggest if you want to play 1st person, go there, play a bit, wait, be patience. People will join as it is not entirely empty and if you stay there, more people will follow.

:D I knew you would like it. But this also means a lot of atmosphere for me. Sometimes I move to towns like this. http://1.1.1.1/bmi/www.loaditup.de/files/783915_95a65zks54.jpg It might be not be very sneaky or exploiting anything but feels just cool. Just looked at some screenshots and I'm fighting and moving more in 3rd person than I thought. So you are the camper around Berezino killing me from time to time?

1st person shooter basically dont need a third person because the player don't do interresting things. Even though some switch into a kill cam because the only interesting thing the character is doing is having a cool finishing move. Most shooter perfectly come along with showing a weapon and the enemy, making weapon sounds, that's the basic story. 3rd person view comes into play as soon as your char does stuff, wears things which have a meaning, short: doing role play. If you remove the 3rd person, you basically turn the game into a 1st person shooter with all its drawbacks. Yes, 1st person shooter are popular, but its not everything DayZ intended to be. qft!

So lets nail it: You 1st person only guys actually never switch to third person? You always run around in super immersive 1st person mode even through the most boring landscape ever in default plains? You earned a hero or bandit skin and never switched to third person to see how it looks like? You guys never switched to third person after you found a ghillie to see what effect it has? You are completely uninterested how a backpack looks on your char? You found an NVG and never felt the desire to see how that thing looks like as you wear it? You never went prone into a bush and took a look if you are covered? You never drove a car and took a peek how cool you guys are looking? ... never made a fire and switched to 3rd person to see what your char actually is doing? ... never raised your hands to surrender and wanted to know what your char is doing? ... never run around with flares or chemlights in 3rd person? I don't think so.

I'm not saying you or others are lying here. All we have is different views. ;)

This somehow doesn't fit together. People sometimes play the hard guys. It is not unrealistic that on a forum someone defends 1st person view while playing on 3rd person server. You have seen the poll posted here claiming that 60 % or so would favour 1st person. Well obviously this is not the case. Something like this already has been suggested e.g. by SausageKing. Has advantages and disadvantages. Looking around a corner still might work with this angle.

Maybe the community server thing is the root of all evil. Twisted, isn't it? You can't rely on the community in regards of server infrastructure and taking away all their freedom the same time. A solution for you 1st person only guys would be to set up your own server. Well then, as I understand it right, many things can't be changed in the SA by server admins. Loot tables and aggro level are pretty much core elements of the game and I appreciate if they are fixed in general. But in regards of 1st and 3rd person, you hardliner really need to rethink your position. Calling 3rd person an exploit only is your fixated viewpoint. All that has been said in regards of unfair or whatever is not true. Objectively sth which applies for everyone the same on a server can't be unfair.

Maybe I just don't get it. But is there a game out there which has that many variations of the core game like DayZ? I sometimes have serious difficulties finding a DayZ version which is vanilla. And I most of the time want to play as vanilla as possible. But there obviously is a big userbase which enjoys custom rules and custom experiences. You could either wash them all away (also meaning losing loads of variety and maybe player types) resulting in remaining only the one version which has been released by the devs. Or build in some small room to customize certain rules. Don't overdo things, even small changes can make a huge difference. Mind, that one of the main motivations for someone to set up a server is to set own rules and to customize certain things. That 3rd person sucks balls is your opinion. Why are there so few server admins who seems to share your opinion? Their opinion is different from yours. Or maybe 1st person player are too lazy, selfish and egomaniacal in general to set up a server and they only demand others to change instead. ;D

For half a million years, when Battlefield 1942 was not too old, I used to play on an Australian server. Since I'm from Europe, my ping was beyond good and evil but I just plain loved these guys on that server. The admins were great and they sometimes set some rules to make the game more interestingn and spicey. From time to time they wrote in chat sth like "Zookaparty" (they had a word I don't remember) and restarted the map. From that point on your only were allowed to kill each other with bazookas only, which kind of is very tricky since those projectiles are quite slow and you also had a long time frame between triggering the shot and actually shooting. If you used a gun, you were kicked untill you got the rule. It was not per se easier, it was different. On the one hand it was more difficult to hit somebody but in return, you were way harder to hit as well, resulting in very long lives and very long and dense rounds. This somehow reminds me a bit of the situation here, since you had utilities (guns and soldier classes etc) the game by default offered, but were temporary not allowed to use. Similar to that some of you here decided that the 3rd person view is the feature which should not be allowed to use. Difference is, that some don't see it as game rule which could be apllied or not. As long as a rule applies to everyone, no one is in an advantage. And the "first person only" supporter make their mistake right here. They defined their handicap (not to use 3rd p) as the only one appropriated. Therefore they made a bunch of theories to "proof" their opinion that everything beyond 1st person is not the "normal way" to play. That evolution of mankind would demand 1st person view. That 3rd person player would play in "easy mode" and so on. This is not true, this only are justifications. If you take a closer look, these argumentations are not even consistent. You guys say "its harder and easier the same time". In fact it's neither easier nor harder, but different. It's like the Zookaparty a custom rule. The core problem you have is the way to enforce this custom rule is to define it with the server settings and that most server are not configurated being 1st person only. I know, you may don't want to hear it but in fact your way out would be the ability to chose. Devs: Build in a poll function which allows to change that rule on the fly based on what the player want or - the other way round, even way better - build in a function what allows admins to define rules on the fly. Because changeing the server config might be not the most convenient way to handle things. That's why you don't have enough variation in the server situation. They set the decission once and that's it. Player on the other hand do love variety. See that what worked for Battlefield back in those days (that the admin said "now other rules") doesn't work for DayZ. Noone would give a shit what he wrote in chat. So give them the tools to define them on the fly.

There's no way for me to run once across the map in *totaly immersed 1st person mode only* without getting very annoyed by it. Maybe it's cool in certain situations but brevity is the soul of wit. In the long run, when I try to imagine that it would never be possible to switch into 3rd person again, the game would lose half of its sexyness.

Maybe because I wouldn't like that. I like the 3rd person view and seeing my char in the world - not the ability to camp the whole day without being seen with a mirror in the hand in 1st person perspective.

Nope, thats not correct, third person view is third person view. It's built in by purpose and intention. If you guys refuse to use it, it's one and only your problem. Stop calling it an exploit. This is bs.

Because what you call an exploit, for others is a tactic - which in turn can be countered with tactics. But who is camping on roofs the whole day anyway? This can be pretty boring if it is not Cherno or another hot spot. So you'll need to expect other players there, whether they use 3rd person or not. So I'd sneak into a town as if there would be 3 sniper teams. Mind, there could be a scout and a sniper on the roof working together. So actually I'm not going quite often into towns without a bit of recon in advance. Then I behave like they were there and I've just overseen them. Loads of duck and cover and not resting much in the open and so on.

Learn to survive and move wisely. It's not a shame to die at certain dangerous spots once or twice. It's shame to die there always because you make the same mistakes all over again. The problem I have is the connecting of new player on a position which already has been considered save minutes before. They litterally can spawn in your backyard. Such things always mean trouble for me.

Sometimes, if I have plenty time. Point is I'm very confused in a combat situation since switching views also means a bit of new orientation. Even more if you have to look through the iron sight or a scope. It doesnt work well for me to go from a thirt person view into a scope view without loosing orientation a bit. So I try to stand still and shoot in 3rd person. Some server dont have a crosshair, so its quite a combat stile which can be called immediate self-defence. Besides of that I'm not shooting at player without self-defense at all. I only go into first person if I have plenty time, if the dude in question is far away and if I face zeds with my secondary. (The primary always is a long range weapon and I try to avoid the use of a long range weapon in close combat. Only if I'm out of ammo with my secondary and if I dont need to worry about other player could hear me.) But yes, aiming in 3rd peron is almost impossible if the target is more than 5m away or sth. I can't speak for all and I assume you have the same advantages and disadvantages in 1st or 3rd person as me.

I believe that the SA will not have the same server situation as it is now. (The majority of server are driven by the community). So if the server of the SA are run by BI, it would be easiest way to always provide enough 1st person server for those who are interested in. I know, atm you only could run such a server yourself, but this will cost quite a lot per year.

You confuse the main threat with the zeds. Zeds are dangerous because they are many and because you make mistakes. The video in the opening post clearly says that the 3st person view would be unfair. So those 1st person only dudes feel like being in a disadvantage because the 3rtd person would be superior. There is no word of the Zeds, hence game they've chose for their demonstration doen't even have zeds. So under the bottom line, you guys feel underpowered, because the 3rd person seems to be "god like". The point is, that's not true. All player have the same "problem", or abilities. The 3rd person player also have to face 3rd person player. So you get the idea what happened. You don't want the other to use 3rd person, because you don't want to. Just to quote KoS right above. He feels 3rd person to be superior and he doesn't want it himself, sees it as exploit, not as feature which enriches the game. Because his preference just is 1st person, the "normal view" how he calls it. You guys all the time say that the game with 3rd person enabled is to hard for you. Do you really think it's easier for me? It's still the same game we are playing, right?

You are still not getting that 1st person server and 3rd person server is what people want? Then please explain how it is easier for me when other player are more dangerous.

Please explain how the game can be easier when other player are invisible and invincible as you claim if they are in 3rd person on a roof? Man, those other invincible and invisible player are not friendly most of the time.

Thats nonsense. Why the heck you think I want to play easy mode?!

But the 3rd person view gives you a better self and overall awareness because 1st person is not even close to reality. Mind, you don't smell or feel anything in the game, you only have 2 senses instead of five, your body and your avatar connect only via mouse and keyboard... and the quality of your 2 remaining senses is striped down.

Well maybe they have more fun there, whats the problem? Yes tactics is also sth which lets people feel more save. Also having a weapon in a zomby apocalypse feels more save. Having antibiotics feels more save. And last but not least, playing games feels more save (you don't seriously die). But correct me if I'm wrong: You feel more save if the 3rd person view is being removed, right?

The dude on the roof is not more in advantage than the one who wears night vision googles in a pitch black night. Would you also insist in removing NVGs?