Ken Bean

Because what you call an exploit, for others is a tactic - which in turn can be countered with tactics. But who is camping on roofs the whole day anyway? This can be pretty boring if it is not Cherno or another hot spot. So you'll need to expect other players there, whether they use 3rd person or not. So I'd sneak into a town as if there would be 3 sniper teams. Mind, there could be a scout and a sniper on the roof working together. So actually I'm not going quite often into towns without a bit of recon in advance. Then I behave like they were there and I've just overseen them. Loads of duck and cover and not resting much in the open and so on.

Learn to survive and move wisely. It's not a shame to die at certain dangerous spots once or twice. It's shame to die there always because you make the same mistakes all over again. The problem I have is the connecting of new player on a position which already has been considered save minutes before. They litterally can spawn in your backyard. Such things always mean trouble for me.

Sometimes, if I have plenty time. Point is I'm very confused in a combat situation since switching views also means a bit of new orientation. Even more if you have to look through the iron sight or a scope. It doesnt work well for me to go from a thirt person view into a scope view without loosing orientation a bit. So I try to stand still and shoot in 3rd person. Some server dont have a crosshair, so its quite a combat stile which can be called immediate self-defence. Besides of that I'm not shooting at player without self-defense at all. I only go into first person if I have plenty time, if the dude in question is far away and if I face zeds with my secondary. (The primary always is a long range weapon and I try to avoid the use of a long range weapon in close combat. Only if I'm out of ammo with my secondary and if I dont need to worry about other player could hear me.) But yes, aiming in 3rd peron is almost impossible if the target is more than 5m away or sth. I can't speak for all and I assume you have the same advantages and disadvantages in 1st or 3rd person as me.

I believe that the SA will not have the same server situation as it is now. (The majority of server are driven by the community). So if the server of the SA are run by BI, it would be easiest way to always provide enough 1st person server for those who are interested in. I know, atm you only could run such a server yourself, but this will cost quite a lot per year.

You confuse the main threat with the zeds. Zeds are dangerous because they are many and because you make mistakes. The video in the opening post clearly says that the 3st person view would be unfair. So those 1st person only dudes feel like being in a disadvantage because the 3rtd person would be superior. There is no word of the Zeds, hence game they've chose for their demonstration doen't even have zeds. So under the bottom line, you guys feel underpowered, because the 3rd person seems to be "god like". The point is, that's not true. All player have the same "problem", or abilities. The 3rd person player also have to face 3rd person player. So you get the idea what happened. You don't want the other to use 3rd person, because you don't want to. Just to quote KoS right above. He feels 3rd person to be superior and he doesn't want it himself, sees it as exploit, not as feature which enriches the game. Because his preference just is 1st person, the "normal view" how he calls it. You guys all the time say that the game with 3rd person enabled is to hard for you. Do you really think it's easier for me? It's still the same game we are playing, right?

You are still not getting that 1st person server and 3rd person server is what people want? Then please explain how it is easier for me when other player are more dangerous.

Please explain how the game can be easier when other player are invisible and invincible as you claim if they are in 3rd person on a roof? Man, those other invincible and invisible player are not friendly most of the time.

Thats nonsense. Why the heck you think I want to play easy mode?!

But the 3rd person view gives you a better self and overall awareness because 1st person is not even close to reality. Mind, you don't smell or feel anything in the game, you only have 2 senses instead of five, your body and your avatar connect only via mouse and keyboard... and the quality of your 2 remaining senses is striped down.

Well maybe they have more fun there, whats the problem? Yes tactics is also sth which lets people feel more save. Also having a weapon in a zomby apocalypse feels more save. Having antibiotics feels more save. And last but not least, playing games feels more save (you don't seriously die). But correct me if I'm wrong: You feel more save if the 3rd person view is being removed, right?

The dude on the roof is not more in advantage than the one who wears night vision googles in a pitch black night. Would you also insist in removing NVGs?

Well you could use a granade. Not more than connecting and disconnecting. In real life he just couldn't stay there forever. And allow me to add that there has been examples in history where you had people camping in invulnerable spots. The only solution was to starve them out. Just see this as fortress... on a very important spot. Sounds familiar?

It still amazes me that you guys call this an exploit. Looks totally legit, doesn't it? Yes I'm in perfect control over my avatar. Yes, I'm more than he. Everyone can see or do the same. Nope, it definitively makes you not invincible. The poor guy probably died the same day. Uh and sth I've learned: The whole towns are dangerous. It doesnt really makes a difference if theres one on the roof or in a bush. There are guns pointing into the towns from everywhere.

Wall hack. ;D That's not true, its your preference. Games are succesfull because they are well done. Super Mario Brothers is one of the most successful games ever (if not the) and it's not in 1st person. So your argument is not valid and doesn't proof a thing. The gaming industry at one point started to develop first person shooter and the entire genre has become very successful. First person shooter are, the name already hints it, 1st person games by definition. They sell very well and yes, for some of us this domination is tiresome, because if you know one, you kind of know them all. DayZ started to make sth different and they did well. You are a fist person shooter fan, I suppose, and you probably made the 1st person view to your religion. And btw, one of the oldest games of mankind is chess. A typical 3rd person top down game. What says your argument "it's in our genes" to this fact? The first ego shooter has been developped in? What other games came earlier? Face it: This is the typical nonsense of the 1st-person-Shooter-Fans, who do anything and everything to advertice their genre as the only one which has a right to be. You also can say that the desire to play a game is the desire to leave your role in which you are bound physically and to advance to sth beyond. To play after other rules as which were dictaded by your enviroment. Its clearly not the desire to cheat or to make it easy alone. Thats your interpretation. And our games, especially their rules and "gameplay" like 1st or 3rd person, are not coded into the DNA in any way. They have an entirely own logic, which surprisingly is very mathematical in most cases.

absolutely

Which absolutely is realistic. You can assume that behind certain curtains may stand a whole team with binoculars watching you without that you get the slightest idea. True fact.

Well, if you only need to observe a certain spot, you dont need to move your head that much. The weapon usually is carmouflaged as well and they get their own "ghillie". Usually they take just some material (gras or whatever) and bind it around the weapon so that it looks like vegetation (which also moves a bit,depending on the wind). A closed window + shadow makes a perfect sniper spot. A good courtain almost hides you completely.

What about that? http://youtu.be/sCbrCocprE0 Keep in mind, that in a town you have a massive amount of "built in" hideouts and corners. A sniper carmouflaging his head as being a smokestack while "openly" watching you running around is not a scenario which is unrealistic.

Invisibility and not being seen from a certain spot still is a difference. ;)

The best and direct vote you can get is if you monitor the 1st person and 3rd person server situation and if you could monitor the usage. I don't have any data but my feeling tells me that servers with enabled 3rd person are more popular atm. The question is why. Some say because 3rd-p would be easier, even though they demand it should be removed because they say 3rd-p would make pvp gaming a lot harder because other player are way harder to find. How can it be easier and harder the same time? If you ask me, then I would say the 3rd person view makes a lot of people feel very uncomfortable because the enemy could be everywhere (just like in real life). This in my point of view would mean that the game is more difficult if it offers the 3rd person view. They say it would not be more difficult, but unfair, even though, something is not known to be unfair as long as everyone has the same abilities (everyone can use 1st person or 3rd, so no one has an unfair advantage). Absolutely agree. Its not like those campers are unvisible, they are visible but harder to find. It makes it a bit more realistic and counters a bit the lack of possibilities the game provides. Camper will camp anyway. It might be boring and unfair for most of us, but somehow not for them. DayZ is not the only game which has a problem with camper.

All these polls are on forums. I wouldn't have get to know it if you wouldn't have posted it here. ^^ (Pretty damn hard to find such a link on the streets.)

He probably means that polls in certain forums may manipilate the results because player who are engaged in forums usually are not the average player type. They are in certain ways more evolved in such questions than other. And maybe already have different views because they have another problem awareness. It's your personal preference but it doesn't apply to everyone. It depends how much of your brain, thoughts and phantasy is part of the game. I think that people with less phantasy feel more at home in first person.

Yep, some apparently can't handle the 3rd Person. I still feel engaged. (Every child feels engaged and immersed while playing with puppets or toy soldiers since thousands of years. There in fact is no real immersion problem. Ever had a modell railroad? I did and it was awesome.)

How often you fell from a roof in real life because you accidentally prone a bit too far in first person mode? Hanging in the air only having a bit of the legs on the roof happens to the best of us. :D

As said, I for myself don't use it as exploit. I just want to know whats going on with my virtual body. It gives me some kind of self awareness of the avatar in the world. In real life I'm still sitting in front of my computer. ;-) If you dont get what I mean, go play Gothic 2 or 3 and eenjoy all the things your avatar in game can do. And you can watch him doing lots of stuff. They make the games more immersive and believable, providing more details and depth to the world.