Ken Bean

Whats with being a nice guy and the other 5 player you right in the moment cant see?

You guys will see. Once the first person is fixed, more player will join 1st person server. ... And all the CoD and BF3 player come :)

If it goes too much into the pvp shooter direction, I personally would sabotage the 1st person a bit. Maybe there is something wrong with the 3rd person "exploit" but imho this is not the main issue. But on the other hand, one really needs to try it out. Its almost impossible to predict any outcome of every tweak. So the devs will have a lot to try and test, I'm afraid.

Then it helps both elements to have both views.

I know and I already played ArmaA 3. 1st person works way better and its kind of easier than 3rd person (which looks a little weird, especially the forward animation).Question is: Do you want DayZ to be more a shooter or more a role playing game? You can say shooter, then noone cares if you drop the 3rd person. Other way round I could life without the 1st p.

There you have a point, but let me explain what you missed.The game Amnesia is quite immersive, has its tunel vision and so on... But you are not playing your own role. You are Daniel, a fixed charakter. His role and idendity is predefined. You are experiencing exactly what the devs want you to see. DayZ on the other hand has the oposite concept. This is your story, your charakter is what you want him to be. As said, the 3rd person cam might be not perfect in your opinion, but its an integral base element of the game. DayZ would work completely without the 1st person. The 1st p basically obly is used for the fight system - which could be changed completely without losing the core element survival and therefore roleplay. And let me add: If the 1st person would work, more folks would go on an super immersive amnesia like trip. But it doesnt work, so 1st person only is abandoned widely by the playerbase.

Yeah, and for example having choices makes it so enjoyable.

Then I dont know why we argue. Its exactly my opinion as well. Someone said choice is good, I agree. ;)Cool thing is, both hives could have its own difficulty settings.

As if you never played a difficult 3rd person game.But anyway, what exactly you do demand? Should 3rd person stay or be removed?

Good, then you'll finally see that 1st person is not a higher difficulty. ;)

The reason for this is btw, that the 1st person view is broken. The 1st person view is designed for ArmA, not for DayZ, where you have to find the needle in the haystack. The wall "hack exploit thing" also only really desturbs certain pvp situations (can also be used for good). Zeds can be (and are) aggro and dangerous in both cases.

I wanted to know if there an offical difficulty setting "1st person only" exists. Not what you personally think what is easy and what not. Difficulty from a developers view also is being determined by droprates , hitchances etc.

Maybe someone of the mods can confirm this? I played on 1st person player only server and didn't have the feeling that there was a higher difficulty.

While I absolutely agree with the presence of various difficulty settings (there's nothing wrong with easy difficulties), I'd point you to the fact that 3rd person player also have a right to play on high or "hardcore" difficulty. I don't like the fact that you constantly suggest that 3rd person player would not want to play on high difficulties. They want and do so. Having a preference for the 1st person doesn't make you hardcore.

Okay, let me go into this. For you. I have the experience that 1st or 3rd person view can be equaly difficult. The problem is that the 1st person view is flawed in DayZ. If it would be more Battlefield-alike, the 1st person view would be easier than the 3rd person, because Zeds wouldn't be able to be a threat. They'd just die as soon as they pop up. Basically there's not much 1st person shooter skill needed to plain survive. After you found a sea, a tin can, matches, a knife, a hatchet and some medical supplies you can life without risking mutch. I mean it's not a game which focuses on 1st person shooter skills in the very first place. What does statistics tell us? Plain numbers. What a statistic means is a matter of interpretation. Your interpretation seems to be fixed in advance. If 1st person player have a lower chance to survive then maybe because the 1st person view is a bit broken? First let me say that third person shooter can be very tactical. Maybe shooter use to be not very tactical at all compared to simulations or games like chess, but this is not because of the perspective. The 3rd person view actually gives player more room for being tactical all the way. If your tactics only is to observe and wait, then this doesn't mean that this is the only tactic a third person game can have. Not the perspective is relevant for how long you survive, but the tactics. As said in previous posts, "Observe and wait" is a typical 1st person shooter multiplayer tactics which also can bee seen in games like Battlefield, its also known as camping. Camper apparently do so in 1st and 3rd person. Actually I respectful disagree. The playstile is much more variable than playing in 1st or 3rd person. Most people constantly switch the person and their playstile could better categorised in lone wolfes, bandits, heros ... to name the obvious. There are threads which suggest such categories. All of them use to play in 1st and 3rd person, even camper. I actually don't know what to say here. The 3rd person view is something anyone can have, it's not a win button like you suggest. A huuuuge majority is playing on 3rd person enabled servers and the death toll is very high. Those AS50 weren't that easy to find either. Almost every hacker spawned with one, yes, but that's another story.

I see and it would be nice but maybe I misread some posts which were made or there's a constant 3rd person player bashing going on. It's no namecalling I'd point out, just the stile. Here there's an example to illustrate what I mean I'm not offended, I don't take things like this personel, it wasnt pointet at anyone directly and I completely ignore what it may imply or not. It's just a discussion stile like with a 3 years old. How can you discuss with this?

I said "it's like", taking this as an example. And I didn't mean you personel. I tried to describe the situation of the discussion currently which in my opinion fits exactly the coffee / tee problematic. "And coffee is bad they say... Tee way more healthy... " (while drinking coffee) Would be easier if some may practise a bit more what they preach.

The problem I have is not that you say 1st person > 3rd person. It's your opinion and that's fine. The problem I is following: I would just play 1st person if I had that opinion and oppurtunity. It's like favouring tee over coffe. Then you have tee and coffee on the table. Now you are drinking coffee and try to confince everyone else to drink tee. No, not only convince them, you try to ban coffee.

Not only desperate. If you are convinced that 1st person is the shit (which isn't) and if you have to see that almost no one plays on or offers 1st person server, then you probably think you are the only savvy one. ^^ Anyway, we've seen many of their arguments which most of the time are just claims or desturbing wrong wordings, as if they would use every chance to make a point. And they have a lot excuses not to play on 1st person server. They give the 3rd person view all the blame. Even though, 1st person atm just is brocken. It might be another valuable experience, but is not. It's a pain to be bound to 1st person only. The game loses too much depth. The world is too big and nice to play half a blind ant which cant see shit or what the character itself is doing. Really, why should I play such an awesome open world if I'm bound to a tunnel vision? sad tunnel vision |= immersion Not to mention that horses wear blinders for other reason than increasing the immersion level. ;)

1st person is not more difficult. It's just broken and weird. If you are a bit skilled, you easily can survive 20 hours. But the point is not how long they are surviving, the point is WHY. Why is this the point? Because 1st person player just might be tactical not that keen? Because they permanently lose orientation in buildings? Because they die more often killed by doors and falling from a roof? Because they dont see when they are bleeding? Because their attention span goes downhill after running around 1 hour in super immersive mode? Because 3rd person is not the only game feature they are not able to master? :D This data says not much on the issue. I think the playstile can not so easy categorised in 1st or 3rd person. They are actually not that meaningful as you 1st person dudes may think. ;) It also doesn't say 3rd person player are all fat, btw. Its just one preference under many, no definetive faith or whatnot. You made a big story of it, way too big. And whats, btw, with the data "numbers of 1st person and 3rd person server"? Clearly says "3rd person rocks", doesn't it?

First I gave thumbs up, then I rethought. Although it might be nice to have actual data, most of this stats in this game are inherently meaningless. At least for the player. I don't know what average data says. You have a very wide spread behavior. From running through towns to going prone all the way through woods. There also are power looter and dudes who dont do anything but looking for tents at the borders of the map. Not to forget camper with a backpack full of rabbit meat. And most of the time, all are switching the view. Even those 1st person purists do it, all the time. (A fact which has been figured out in this thread here)

Wrong game dude, play Battlefield. And as said a thousand times, the fight system is fair. Everyone has equal chances. You just dont want to understand, right? If you have a problem then actually name it. It doesnt help if you call a fair fighting system unfair because you cant properly point out your issue otherwise.

I play DayZ when I want to play a survival game. If I want to play player versus player, I play Battlefield. Know why? It actually has way better 1st person combat than DayZ. And the other players also know why we are there. But keep your elitism aside, have a closer look what you just wrote. Did you try to insult me or the game? YOU are wrong here. YOU don't like the game as it is. YOU are the one who shlould have a look for another game. Maybe you are happy then?

I have another idea. Release two DayZ stand alone versions. One we could call "DayZ - the survival game" (which provides 1st and 3rd person) and the other we call "DayZ Deathmatch - most hardcore realistic super immersive hardcore game" (which only provides 1st person). Okay, I admit, was a bit kidding right now.

Yet another invinciple 3rd person exploiter who excessively uses it for pvp. Well I could tell you sth about my current char, but maybe it's pointless. So I'm playing a survival game and I'm quite good in surviving (not in pvp). My char is 91 days old and I played some hours on a 1st person server without dying. (But I died very often almost in these 91 days.) I think I'm totally qualified to say what I like and what not. I consider myself a survival gamer. That's why I chose this game. Thats why I wouldn't join a server with 60 (?) player. You seems to be a 1st person pvp fan. Tell you what? I don't care what you like. There are 1st person server out there. Go play there. Keep your complains and excuses for you. Leave me alone, I'm playing the game how I think I play it. I read a lot of excuses why you can't play on 1st person server. Strange thing is: Joining such a server is totally easy. There always is a friend who prevents folks like you from playing on 1st person server. Now they are litteraly empty. If you ask me, this sounds a bit fishy. "Hey, 1st person is the holy grail. I just don't play on those server. But I glady call you whimp and do everything I can to destroy the gameplay you like." Dude, there are so many 1st person titles out there... Grab one and be happy! @the other post from you: Well that's the marketing information... (Usualy made by people who have no clue for people who have no clue)