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Even though the Mauser came out in the 1890s and was only really used by officers in WW2.

I really doubt a guitar is going to do "15% more damage" than a crowbar, or even a baseball bat. They're fairly hollow and usually aren't meant to be smashed up repeatedly. I mean, some guitars can be, but they're not commonplace. Typical acoustic guitars that you may find in Chernarus would be poor melee weapons, but I'm not completely opposed to the idea of having a guitar (no need for 3-4 different variants). A crowbar is absolutely going to hit a lot harder than most guitars, and I'd reckon a baseball bat that was made for hitting hard objects would probably be more efficient, too. But yes, expanding on the melee weapons would be awesome.

Stop assuming that I'm trying to be "The expert" or "cool" simply because I make a statement. While I will admit that I cannot explicitly prove that the Mosin-Nagant Obrez is less common than the sawed-off Shotgun everywhere, it's fairly conjectural that the Obrez is inefficient in almost every way to the standard counterpart, save for being concealable, whereas a sawed-off shotgun has concealed benefits in addition to a wider spread which may be useful in a close environment. That's also forgetting that any shotgun can be sawed-off whereas the Mosin-Nagant is just one rifle across a few different variants. Point to point it's nigh impossible to prove that the either the Mosin or IZH-43 are more common because most of them tend not to be registered and are spread out over a very large area. It's just common knowledge that in places where guns are heavily regulated that people will make do with whatever they can, and Eastern Bloc countries often restrict firearm ownership to limited areas, so unregulated guns, a lot of which are shotguns, take a front seat. To argue that a statement that "the IZH-43 is common in Eastern Bloc countries" is an "unsupported" and "undefended fantasy" is simply moronic.

I know, you just said "People cut them down, rather than shotguns", and my whole point was that shotguns are a commonplace in Russia. The Obrez wasn't really common at all, it was just very recognizable.

The IZH-43 is incredibly common. Granted not as common as the Mosin in some areas, but Sawed-Off IZH-43s are fairly commonplace.

Well, I wasn't being completely serious, I was making a remark in the continued string of jokes about "Let's just remove *insert something more extreme than the last here*" . But either way, I don't think the public hive will go away with the advent of private ones, and even then, plenty of servers will still "string together" their own private hives so everything is persistent across them all, so server hopping may very well be possible on them. Not saying I disagree with the idea, it's just my response to a rather idiotic thread.

Why don't we just remove the game from the game? Otherwise, there's no way to stop people from server hopping.

I think a Mosin M38 or M44 would be pretty cool (especially considering the compensator is for the m44), but it wouldn't really add a whole lot. We may be getting an Obrez mosin, and if we do it'll probably take over that role. I honestly don't think they'll have three different kinds of Mosin.

Somehow I'm extremely shocked that you didn't mention the fact that the LRS is on the Mosin in this thread, so, beans for you. I like this idea more than just random dispersion, although dispersion to an extent is necessary.

Why do people keep insisting that the M4A1 was removed? It wasn't, the heli crashes just stopped spawning.

Yes, that was one example, but my whole point was just that it's not illogical to suggest that guerrilla fighters are using more than just old AK rifles. I mean, even in the places with the lowest variety, you still see hundreds of different AK variants, and old G3s, and FN FALs, and M16s, and.... the list goes on. It just doesn't happen anymore that conflicts are strictly regulated to weapons from the environment that the conflict is taking place in. Because of globalization, you'd be hard pressed to find wars in the future that AREN'T using some "western", "high-tech" stuff. Vietnam is also a perfectly fair example, because it's the exact same situation that happens in conflicts everywhere; Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, South America, you name it. There's the main provisional government, and loyalist fighters, and then there's the insurgent and revolutionary forces, who may be backed up by other foreign armies. Typically, one side receives arms and support from Russia (or has tons of leftovers from a time that they did), and the opposite force is backed up by NATO. The huge variety of stuff in Vietnam is definitely unique, but that was in part due to World War II, the Korean War, and the French-Indochina war, which had a heavy effect on the future in the South Pacific. Chernarus has a history rife with conflict, as far as we know they were occupied during WW2, had a civil war sometime post-WW2, and then held another one in 2009. And we know that Chernarus used to be a part of the Soviet Union, who would absolutely back them up.

The CR527 was re-done into the carbine variant, so hopefully it can be a viable rifle in close areas (Not that it's really a high-end rifle, but I'd sooner prefer it over the Mosin in CQB). I really want a MK18, or even a CAR-15, with a 10.5' barrel (preferably the MK18, because it can use the M4 handguards & optics, too). But some intermediate-cartridge weapons for close quarters, besides just SMGs, would be nice.

No, unfortunately I'm not Rolle, I always go under the alias "John Doe", (or Jane Doe) for whatever reason. But yeah, any place rife with conflict is going to displace a lot of people and make them poor, so a lot of guns would've been brought in to further fuel the fire (because, hey, arms dealers just want to make money). Not sure exactly what Obrez translates to, but yes, you can have chopped up versions of practically any rifle. As long as the mechanisms that allow the gun to fire are left intact, it could still work, it'd just perform much worse. Even though it is possible, I don't really see any reason to add chopped up versions of any other guns ingame. The IZH-43 works well because Sawed-Off shotguns are a commonplace and the utility of one definitely exists, and the Obrez is definitely interesting, but otherwise I can't really see anything but the Blaze 95 having any utility, and even then, why someone would cut up a multi-thousand dollar rifle is beyond me. I mean, I wouldn't complain if they added sawed-off variants of other guns, but I see no pragmatic usefulness in adding sawed-off Sporter-22s, or CR-527s, or SKS rifles. They'd just be useless aesthetics with a worse performance than their regular counterparts.

Well, the variant ingame is one that was re-chambered and built specifically for .380 Auto, so there shouldn't be any malfunctions.

Well, in ArmA 2, Chernarus was in the midst of civil war between the CHDKZ and the government. The CHDKZ were an insurgent force that was heavily backed up by the Russians and arms dealers coming from all over. The CDF was heavily supported by NATO, especially after the conflict died down post-invasion. Then of course there were the NAPA guerrillas, who were just (mainly) regular civilians who used weapons captured from both sides and just fought to defend their lands. This is very similar to how the situation in Ukraine is going. And do you honestly think people in the US really cared about Vietnam anymore than some place like Chernarus? The only reason people started to care was because the Korean-War model of "Send troops to support democratic independence from communism!" could've applied there, and then people cared afterwards because the war was going horribly and over 50,000 Americans died. It's just wrong to make the argument that Chernarus was insignificant for it's entire past, just for the fact that the lore makes that incorrect.

Yeah, seriously. The Vietnam War is perhaps one of my favorite examples of a force (the NVA/Viet Cong) who truly utilized everything. And keep in mind this was at a time when modern variations of firearms were just starting to take shape. What did they have? Donated Soviet World War II weapons - Tokarev TT-33s, Nagant M1895s, PPS-43s, PPSh-41s, SVT-40s, Mosin-Nagants (M38s, M44s, M91/30s, you name it)Donated Soviet/Eastern Bloc Post-WW2 weapons - Makarov PM, Stetchkin APS, SKS, AK-47s (AK-47/49s, AK-47/52s, AKS-47s, etc.), AKMs (and AKMS'), RPD, RPK, RPG-2, RPG-7, SVD, Type 56, Type 63, SA Vz.58, SA Vz.61, P-64, etc.Donated German World War II weapons - KAR-98Ks, Gewehr 98s, MP-38s (and MP-40s), StG-44s, MG-34s, MG-42sCaptured Japanese weapons - Arisakas (mainly Type 99s, but plenty of others), Type 11 LMGs, Type 100 SMGs, Nambu Type 14sCaptured French weapons (from the French-Indochina war) - MAS-36s, MAS-49/56s, MAT-49sCaptured American/CIDG/Australian weapons - Colt 1911s, Browning Hi-Powers, S&W M39s, S&W Model 15s, MAC-10s/MAC-11s, IMI Uzis (Mini, Micro, and Full Sized), Walther MPL (and MPK), M1 Garands, M1 Carbines (And M1A1 and M2 variants), M1903 Springfields, M3 Greaseguns, M1921/M1928 Thompsons M14 rifles (and M21s), M16s (lots, XM16E1s, M16s, and M16A1s), CAR-15s (E1s, E2s, XM177s, all sorts), Ithaca 37s, Remington 870s, Winchester M1897s, M60s, Stoner M63s, M79s, M72 LAWs, L1A1s/FN FALs, Stens, Sterlings, F1 Smgs and a whole lot moreHomemade variants of pre-existing weapons - Most notably the K-50M and locally produced Thompsons, but they also had AKs assembled in Vietnam.Probably a ton of other undocumented weapons.This was obviously across the 50s, 60s, and 70s, and not every weapon saw frequent or even multiple uses across the war by VCs(I doubt many Stoner 63s were captured, even though it did happen), but it's an overall representation of Vietnam rather than just a specific point, just like DayZ in Chernarus is. But it's still very interesting, because in Vietnam most of the NVA soldiers and VCs actually WERE farmers, unlike in Chernarus, where there's a lot more diversity, and yet they still had all of these different weapons, many of which were top of the line at the time, and still prove invaluable today.

M4A1 is low-tech? MP5-K is low-tech? FNX45 is low-tech? Amphibia S is low-tech? Hell, even the AK-74M, which is what the model of the AK-101 was originally made to be for, isn't low-tech. And that's a very subjective distinction. I mean, the only difference between the AK-74M and the AK-74 is that the 74M uses polymer parts instead of wooden ones, that doesn't really change the tech level. The only difference between the 74M and the 101 is that the 101 uses 5.56x45mm. I really doubt poor, rural farmers would have AK-74Ms or AK-101s, but I don't think it was ever implied that every single person to ever live (or occupy) Chernarus was poor, from a rural area, or a farmer, at all. The AK-101 can also be explained through lore, if it's really necessary. Since you can argue that many of the M4A1s ingame were either captured or donated as military aid, then it might make sense for the CDF to purchase AK rifles chambered in 5.56 so they can utilize the surplus ammunition while still having access to AK parts. That's why Israel made TAR-21 variants in 5.56x45, 7.62x39, and even 5.45x39, so they could utilize all of the extra ammunition they captured during previous failed invasions of the country. Either way, the AK-101 absolutely feels authentic. I mean, to be honest, any Eastern European setting can justify practically any AK variant, even the least-produced ones (and it's not like the 101 is anything obscure, just a 74M in 5.56). I will admit that the DayZ weapon selection is very unique and well-picked, but it's not all low-tech.

Some people prefer the most obscure, terrible, or "useless" Soviet/Eastern European weapons over internationally common weapons of western origin. Seriously, I met a guy who said that the PP-19-01 Vityaz was a better choice than the MP5 because the PP-19-01 is Russian and the "game takes place in Russia". This was awhile before the MP5-K was done, so I doubt it was even on the merits of using the Kurz variant over a full-length one. (Edit) Nevermind, I thought you were talking about the previous conversation, not the Obrez (duh). I guess my point still stands true, though. The Obrez just isn't so much "obscure" or entirely uncommon.

Pretty much. But obviously something unique has to have a regular counterpart. Say they were to eventually had 5.45x39mm, it would be odd for them to add an AN-94 in the regulated category simply because it's cool, but then not have any other full-length rifles, like the AK-74. Nothing managed for uniqueness factor should be the only example of something that performs as such. Now, if they added an RPG-7, then that's different, because it adds a different layer of gameplay, but it's not entirely unique.

Well, the anger would be justified. People don't want to be told that they have to play on high population servers just because some people want more interaction. The repercussions of actually forcing people to high count servers would be disastrous, though. Most of the servers people pay for with their own money, how would you be able to convince them that their server should be unlisted or they can't play on it because it doesn't meet a quota of players?

That was f'ing awesome. Really excited to see what these guys do.

We need keep in mind that everything that happened in ArmA 2 is canon in the DayZ storyline, so it has to remain consistent with it, even if some of the "official" details are not elaborated on. While I'm not sure whether it would be classified as a town or just a landmark, the battle-torn and completely destroyed village of Kumyrna is where I'd like to start. Kumyrna - ("Chinese Temple") While the village of Kumyrna was officially founded in the 1960s (believed to be between 1963-1964, although no official documents are known to exist), evidence of human occupation in the region through archaeological digs has found relics of early human tools in the woods just 1.5km south of the village, some dating back over 50,000 years (For reference, the South Zagorian plateau, where Chernarus+ is set, was found to have been inhabited by early Neanderthals around 200,000 years ago). For most of its history, the lands that Kumyrna sits on were unoccupied, occasionally used for hunting or woodcutting. One of the oldest buildings nearby, a small log farmhouse which sits on the road west of the town, was originally constructed in 1892, as per the testimonies of the current owners. Said building was eventually expanded into a more modern Slavic design, with little of the original site remaining, but the building was one of few spared destruction after the entire town was burned down (more on that later). Eventually, in the early 1930s, a small Eastern Orthodox church was built, and the provisional government, who were under the control of the Soviets, built the road that runs through the town. As time went on, many houses began to spring up around the church, most of which were made of brick, a rare occurrence in South Zagoria at the time. What really set Kumyrna apart from the other villages was the fact that many of the inhabitants were ethnic Chinese and Korean, and said people continued to hold onto their traditional beliefs. Despite the religious and ethnic cleansing going on throughout the USSR at the time, the villagers built a small Confucian temple, completely out of imported Beech wood, and due to the village's remoteness, the temple remained for over 70 years. In the 1960s, the village garnered it's official name, "Kumyrna", which translates as "Chinese Temple" in Eastern Slavic literature. Later, in 1973, the Eastern Orthodox church in the middle of town accidentally caught fire, killing three residents. Early attempts were made to restore the church, but eventually it was decided that a restoration would be too costly, and the religious assembly in control moved to the newly annexed island of Utes, where a brand new church was built (That would also, erroneously so, be destroyed later, in the Chernarussian Uprising) While mostly insignificant after that point, the village became a centralized point in the early conflicts between the ChDKZ and Chernarussian government. In early 2009, just weeks before the oncoming USMC intervention, a firefight between ChDKZ insurgents who occupied the now desolate and crumbling church, and a platoon of CDF Mechanized Infantry broke out, resulting in heavy damage to the town and the church. Because the CDF were ordered not to utilize explosive weapons in their assault (due to civilian proximity), including the main guns on their BMP-2 IFVs, the insurgents inflicted heavy casualties on the CDF, and were able to drive off the CDF troops until they returned, now reinforced with an Air Corps division and a group of locally volunteered militia. The ChDKZ, in order to buy themselves some time, are believed to have set fire to many buildings in the town, including the Confucian temple, completely destroying the temple and heavily damaging all other buildings, resulting in the deaths of a quarter of the town's population. However, the ChDKZ blamed the fires on the CDF, claiming that they "fired tank shells directly into people's houses" in order to fight. With the ChDKZ insurgents mobilizing across the entire countryside, the remaining populace was displaced to other nearby villages, mainly Guglovo and Novy Sobor, never to return. The town gradually fell into disrepair, although some relics of the once unique village still stand, fighting off time. To this day, the remnants still exist, a constant reminder to the horrors of the old world, however unequal they may be to the new ones. Some time after the infection consumed Chernarus, a CDF Air Corps Mi-8 helicopter crash landed on the outskirts of the village. While the helicopter is riddled with bullet holes, it is believed that the helicopter suffered an unrelated rotor malfunction and crashed (although it did undoubtedly come under fire in flight, most of the bullets were likely fired post-crash). What happened to the crew is unknown, as no evidence of their demise was left behind.

I wouldn't mind having a few assault rifles up at the top end of rarity, simply for unique value, sort of like the 1911 Engraved, only as its own platform. Obviously these have to be weapons that already have some similar equivalent that's more common, but that's beside the point.

Well, the Mosin can still use the PU Scope and the M44 compensator, and it's unlikely that they'll remove those since they were specifically designed for the Mosin. The Mosin could definitely be made more of a lower-end rifle, but I'd still say it's more of a mid-game weapon then anything else. It's not bad, but it's nothing special either. "Bare-bones" Mosin really isn't saying much considering the Mosin doesn't spawn with any attachments. Even if they remove the LRS, it'll probably still have the PU Scope and M44 Compensator, so it won't be completely without customization. As a whole (with current weapon standings), this is what we'd get, assuming the weapons list stays the same until the release Low-End Sporter-22IZH-43Makarov IJ70P1CR527 (without scope, if it does get one, then it'd be mid-tier)Middle-End (Most of the guns) 1911LongHornMagnumBlaze 95Mosin 9130SKSPM73 RAKCR75High-End AK101M4A1MP5-KFNX45Amphibia S (because it's internally suppressed)AKMUltra-End NothingThere's no real "balance" in the weapons right now. Sure, the overall setup is good, but I listed guns that probably shouldn't be high-tier (like the MP5-K) simply because they're select-fire and have a decent capacity. The AKM and AK101 are fairly high-tier because they have a load of customization, but as an individual weapon they're really mid-tier, as is the M4A1. The FNX-45 is definitely a great pistol, though, and I'm okay with it being the top-tier pistol, and the Amphibia is up there simply because it is suppressed internally. But I really don't think any of the guns ingame right now, or even planned, really dictate being made into "endgame" gear. (Maybe the SVD, but if it has to be managed by the loot system then it should be one of the more common ones.)

Maybe on a different map, but I like the whole idea of the big ocean. The devs have said they want to do more with islands out in the ocean, so once they add boats, they can become a more significant part of gameplay. Maybe you can get some high-tier loot spawns on the western edge of the map, including heli crashsites, but what if the ultimate loot spawns were on an island far off to the east? You couldn't swim there, but you could potentially take a boat or aircraft there. Think it's going to be easy? Not so much, taking a loud vehicle over to the island is undoubtedly going to attract hordes of zombies, who are all stuck on the island. I think that'd be much cooler than just removing the ship and Skalisty and adding land on the other side. Not only would they need to remove that, but they'd also need to extensively redesign all of the harbors of the coastal cities, and it just really isn't worth it. And how could you convince the devs not to keep the ship?