SoulHunter (DayZ)

And that is the point. The poll is not on the forums. That is the dam point dude.

I am not sure if you read the post properly. I don't want to report you just because I feel like you are trolling now.. So please make it clear and speak out what you actually want to say. People like who said similar things ("Oh noes.. This poll is not legit! OP or someone else should make a poll on reddit and lets then see what the community thinks! Forums are for the people who do not play the mod, but play the forums instead!!!") and now there is a poll. I am guessing that you are being confused with "I like FPV more than TPV but I feel the need to play in TPV" and "I play TPV because I like it more than FPV".

When I first posted this on the forums and reddit, there were about 150 votes. The rate was 66% for FPV, 4 for TPV and 30% for both views (FPV & TPV) When I wrote this, there were 370 votes. The rate was 66% for FPV, 4 for TPV and 30% for both views (FPV & TPV) And now:" https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pZqrOkddl42aICeOf7EBAGqAwEHgLwbiYJlIJj2Sil4/viewanalytics " There are 581 votes, yet the rates are the same. It is actually "AN AMAZING" result. Normally, the rates are similar when there are many and when there are a lot of them. But in this case, the rates remained always the same. I recall it having been like that when there are about 40-50 votes.. Conclusion: We have three clear base-points to make a clear assumption on the case now. We have been available to assume that the majority of the people would prefer FPV over TPV "in DayZ StandAlone" (which the question was). But we were unavailable to assume how many of the commynity members think the same. Regarding the base-points we can take, we can now clearly assume that the amount of people that seek FPV is almost exactly 66%. I've said before that the rates would not change if a poll would be applied in reddit or somewhere else after a while and that the results would be similar to the ones we have in the forums. But I was simply wrong. The results on reddit have almost never been changed at all, which is a sign that the research has been made properly. TBH they should of changed time by time when some other points about the subject appear. But due to it having been done impartially (I assume), there was no one going up against the poll or the way it is being held, whereas no negative speculation which means no big difference in the results.

Not to disappoint you mate, but the thread that got closed was regarding a poll on the case, which shows that the majority seeks FPV over TPV. In overall, the thread had more FPV supportive posts than TPV. It is not like a rate of 70%-30% would be so much changed in another thread. Deal with it. Far more people seek FPV experience regarding the ones that want TPV. Out of 400 people only 15 people voted for TPV. Just saying..

They are! >>.<<

370 people until now. 133 people also here. So 503 people in total. I already explained the reasoning of it. Do you think it is that easy to change hundreds of people's mind? Just giving them an opportunity to be aware of the reason why these polls and such community activities appear? I also gave an exact literal example for the case. I myself am a TPV user. But I'd like to play the game in FPV. Like many people in the community (as can be seen). Most of the people that voted for FPV use TPV in the mod, the points of which I already elaborated though.. Not sure why I am in need to explain all these points over and over again. If you didn't see anything about using 3rd person to "cheat" when you voted it is then a good thing. Thanks for reminding people that there is a video link in the poll as informing of the case, which has but nothing to do with what you wrote back then. Again, people are not that stupid. Especially the ones in reddit. Their minds could not be changed very easily..

You used a quote of me. I thought you were talking to me back then. All is ok. You have no right to say that. It is all your opinion. You cannot claim as it is like a literal fact. Research showed that many people think the opposite, which does not also mean that what they think is also right. Exactly. That has nothing to do with the subject nor the point we were at, but thanks for the offer though.

I failed to understand this post completely. Was that really meant to be pointed to me? Because; -In the research/pool, there is nothing supporting any of the options by any way. -What is FP camp? That doesn't make any sense to me.. It is not like those who want FPV are fanatic FPV users.. Dunno if you checked the results of the research, but themajority seems to seek FPV in S.A even though most people play the game in TPV. Hell even I already claimed that I am a 3rd person view user... --.-- -Due to the feedback, I've also made a claim (which is also in the quote of me that you used, dunno if u read it all) that says regardless whoever thinks what, almost all the people participating the research seem to be aware of the fact that TPV is used to exploit in game, which can be called "cheating". It is not like people call it "hacking". I fail to understand why people would feel offended by that saying.. It is a feature of the game, not a bug or glitch, therefore not bannable as well. However, if you would use something for something that is not meant to be used that way, then it can be called exploit, whereas cheating. -No one has ever used (afaik) the term of "cheating" when discussing the proper use of the TPV, but discussing the improper use of it instead.

I am no part of any side in this research. I did not say that FPV or TPV sucks or is great. I did not give any of my thoughts for the sake of the research. All I did want from people was to watch Dslyecxi's video before voting if they want, just to get informed about the case which is the main point of these polls and sorta actions. To talk about the questions; You have right to think anything you would desire. But whatever we could think would not be the absolute truth. It is impossible for a human-being to be able to analyze something perfectly. But we can simply make up some assumptions about the mentioned case; -I recall Dean saying that DayZ did not become famous just in no time. It took some time. It was prob generally shared from friends to friends somehow. But to consider the nature of youtube and such platforms, dayz must have been popular there very quickly. And what do the streamers do? They do PvP to show that they are that good at the game that they are above the survival aspect of the game already. They try many different ways to gain as much advantage as possible over other players, to be able to seem more god-like. And considering that the millions could get aware of the game with such platforms, they would then try and be like those cool streamers. -If someone got used to something, it would be hard to leave it instantly. I personally like FPV because of its immersion level. However, because I got used to TPV, it was hard for me to re-used to FPV. Knowing other people using TPV doesn't also help the case at all. If you get in PvP actions much, and your enemies prefer TPV unlike you, then you would prob have a bad time. -This research does not show that which view would be the best in DayZ StandAlone. It shows that which view reddit users would like to have in DayZ StandAlone. There is a big difference. DayZ is not like CoD or CS series. But the current gen is used to those games, so when they see a gun, that reminds them sorta famous games. People seeming to want FPV because of them wanting such a FPV experience like in CoD and kinds has nothing to do with which view would go best with the game-play. People playing thegame in 3rd person due to it forcing the playerbase to do so does not mean that the players want to play the game like that. I hope I could explain this fact a little. There could be many reason for that; -People that are always against the ideas which seem to them more than enough heterodox. -People who used to play the game using the exploits of 3rd person. -People who used to see his character while playing (like me). -People who are not comfortable with such possible big changes. -People who do not want a CoDish experience in a survival game (maybe FPV might remind people such games, who knows?) -People who dislike FPV games. -And much more.. I just made up these possible reasons of them to act like that. It shows nothing but that people who would seem united under one belief/thought/idea do not always share the same opinions/reasonings. Again, no one can judge people just because of their interest. I think it is a wrong action to separate people with the way they like to play. I just stated many possible reason why they would not like to play the game without 3rd person. It is not like all the people must be using TPV just to exploit its advantages.. I do literally have no idea why you would ask such a question to me. Considering me not being the one who found out/played the mod first, I can of course by no way know the answer. But I can provide that some people on the forums have claimed that FPV has come before TPV. I am not informed on this aspect though (nor am I interested in it). Could you elaborate the point of this saying? That, to me, makes literally no sense as to consider that this post of yours was meant to be pointed to my post. Thanks Regards

The Results: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pZqrOkddl42aICeOf7EBAGqAwEHgLwbiYJlIJj2Sil4/viewanalytics The rates were not so stable at the beginning, but after a while the rate was like "66% for FPV" "33% for both FPV and TPV" and seems like after getting much more votes did not change this fact. The rates are still almost the same. The poll on the forums shows that 70-75% of the forum members want FPV instead of TPV. This poll shows that 66% of the reddit users would prefer FPV over TPV. That is pretty much end of the research, I am guessing. As a sight note, almost everyone (even those who don't want only FPV) seems to be well aware of the fact that the TPV is often used to cheat (like looking over fences, behind doors/corners/whatnot.). I hope this community activity would enlighten some issues and help them to be solved more easily. Thanks for participating the research everyone! Regards

The Results: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pZqrOkddl42aICeOf7EBAGqAwEHgLwbiYJlIJj2Sil4/viewanalytics The rates were not so stable at the beginning, but after a while the rate was like "66% for FPV" "33% for both FPV and TPV" and seems like after getting much more votes did not change this fact. The rates are still almost the same. The poll on the forums shows that 70-75% of the forum members want FPV instead of TPV. This poll shows that 66% of the reddit users would prefer FPV over TPV. That is pretty much end of the research, I am guessing. As a sight note, almost everyone (even those who don't want only FPV) seems to be well aware of the fact that the TPV is often used to cheat (like looking over fences, behind doors/corners/whatnot.). I hope this community activity would enlighten some issues and help them to be solved more easily. Thanks for participating the research everyone! Regards

A poll to reach more people on the case: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pZqrOkddl42aICeOf7EBAGqAwEHgLwbiYJlIJj2Sil4/viewform Go for it guys. :thumbsup:

At such rates I am also pretty sure to see that happening as well. =) There is of course the possibility that the rates could remain always the same (even after zero, eg: -/+ 0,342%) after applying all those actions one by one, which is pretty much small tho. Edit: There your poll goes guys: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pZqrOkddl42aICeOf7EBAGqAwEHgLwbiYJlIJj2Sil4/viewform

This poll is already pointed in reddit. However, as always, it does not get so much attention. Someone really should make a separate poll about it.

We might be. No one can know if it does or not. And in literal, it is literally impossible to find out exactly how many of the peeps of a community would want something and others something else unless "everyone" in the community would vote in the polls and such regarding community activities. I also do not think that the rates represent everyone that play dayz, however I dont think that the rates would still be so much different if "everyone" would vote for their thoughts/ideas.

Surprisingly the rate was the same when there was 30 votes and still the same when there are 100 votes. I periodically checked the rates and it was about the same always.

I did say "literally" nothing about being at advantage nor disadvantage. Are you high? In order for a game to be fair for all, it should apply the same opportunities to everyone. Even with 3rd person it applies the same possibilities for everyone, which sometimes occurs unfair situations, but which does not mean that the possibilities of any player using 3rd person to exploit is not equal. Which said, you having poor stuff to play is not a disadvantage for the game-play. It is your own fault if you would decide to play a game as owning a poor rig not to be able to play it well. You should then not have "decided" to do that if there is not enough facility for you to do that. This simple logic is called "thinking before attempting to take action about something". I am btw pretty much offended by the communism saying of yours. Due to the fact that what you wrote has nothing to do with what I wrote (you being off-topic) and that you flamed me with something there is no way I could appreciate accepting, I'll be now filling a report about you. Have a nice day.

Over the last couple years? "A year" you mean?

Choice is good? More choice, better? Let's give players the opportunity to zoom off 1000x more, so people who wanna play the game without seeing their character but the area they are playing would be happy. Who would not like to play such a game looking down from the sky at the game-world ?

OMG is that possible to do in ArmA?

Nice ideas man :beans:

I think what he tries to mean is that the possibilities of a player being able to use the TPV to exploit are the same for all the players, which does not of course mean that every possibility is fair for both players.

Hmm.. Weird because I generally see in all the games that popped up in the last 10 years detailed tutorials not only to show the way the game works, but also the basics (maybe some strategies along) of game-play.

what about some info about the server?