Knollte

Sauce?

With the comeback of bandit skins I think it would be realistic to implement the ability to hide your identety However that would come at a cost. My suggestion is to implement a simplified system to simulate the complicated art of backstabing while at the same time adding a sort of pvp flag(that even makes some sense ). Survivors (people with high humanity) should be able to put on a mask and by doing so hiding their faces. -This would allow them to kill without\ or with lower loss of humanity because no one can identify them (I prefer a lower loss). -however Survivors would be able to shoot masked dudes without loss of humanity. -Bandits who whent over the the line (have negative humanity) are stuck with their scarf \or mask (this simulates that their identety is known). -this is just an idea: if you are knocked out or killed you can be unmasked this hits your humanity (after death would obviously be unrealistic but add some gameplay "features" like gangs defending their fallen comrades or hiding the corpses of their buddies). -Naturaly taking of o putting on a Mask should take some time (like bandaging or even longer for balancing reasons). This would allow people to change their playstyle(and try before they go all psycho) and add another layer of complexity to the game. greetings Knollte

Those are needed factors to keep the game immersive and "authentic" a 15kg+ weapon should not be handled like a DMR as a byproduct it would balance them somewhat,

Would be nice if such a thing can be implemented.

I`d like that ,I think .50 rifles need to be changed to take into acount that you: a) Cant put them into your backpack b )canot aim them precise for longer periods while standing or crouching (try it with somethin 15kg heavy and than imagine it has a lloong barrel). c) turn and handle them the same way you do with an M14(again heavy and long). d)carry them without taking into account a hit on staminay or even speed (maybe like the RPGs slowing you to walking speed). e) personaly i feel especially the AS50 is to "hightech" ratcher give me a ptrd or somthing

Well if I had a saying the .50 rifles would not be in the game in their current form but for other reasons(handling like an assault rifle in weight and stuff). The data you provided surely are interesting but they clearly show a relation between temporary cavity and permanent which corelates with my earlier sources which state „In such a case, the permanent cavity is stretched so far, and so fast, that tearing and rupturing can occur in tissues surrounding the wound channel which were weakened by fragmentation damage.11,12 It can significantly increase damage13 in rifle bullet wounds. „ So I do not argue with you that the .50 should not be as powerfull as its depicted in movies but i still dont get your damage tables: 12 Gauge Buckshot = 8 round simultaneous burst x 3000 damage 12 Gauge Shotguns = 15,500 AS50/M107 = 7,000 M1911/Revolver = 6,000 Other Pistols/PDW/MP5 = 3,500 Lee Enfield/CZ550 = 3,000 FN FAL/AKM/DMR/M14/M240/Mk48/Dragunov = 2500 AK/STANAG/M249/L85/M16/M4 = 1500 Hatchet=? (Actually, hatchet wounds are a doctor's worst nightmare...)) listing the 1911 with higher damage than FN-FAL an M-16 while your sources show the horrific permanent wounds inside the body caused by this rounds.

No offense taken I am sure there is alot I can still learn about ballistics I think this one is more acurate: Alot less impressive but still multitudes from .45ACP And if I am not mistaken numerous militaries use tumbling fragmenting 7.62*51mm ammo like the Bundeswehr which are really devestating.

While I usually like your suggestions BazBake I am opposed to this one. I am because your since contradicts everything I know about ballistics. The only point I agree with you is that a 12 gauge should be devastating out to 100 meters firing solid projectiles. A .45 ACP more deadly than a Lee Enfield ? This is simply wrong wound ballistics are alot more complicated than simply diameter of round. While that might be true for pistols and revolvers rifles (including .223) are a diferent beast alltogether I will not go into all the details (partly because I dont want to invest all the time to read it all up again) but a supersonic round (all military rifle rounds) creates a wound cavitiy which is alot bigger than the calibre itself(named:temporary cavity). „In such a case, the permanent cavity is stretched so far, and so fast, that tearing and rupturing can occur in tissues surrounding the wound channel which were weakened by fragmentation damage.11,12 It can significantly increase damage13 in rifle bullet wounds. „ according to: http://www.thegunzon...o-wounding.html Its really a no brainer if you see ballistic shooting tests that rifles are more deadly than psitols and revolver apart from maybe some mutants like the desert eagle: to give you an impression here are some videos .45ACP:(1911,Revolver) .308winchester basicly 7.62*51mm(FN-Fal,M14,and some Snipers): So I would say Arma 2 base damages are about right the shotguns should do alot more damage closeby but your chart is way of and your physics as well. the damage should be somthing like this: AS50/M107 = dunno does not matter onehitkill 12 Gauge Buckshot = 8 round simultaneous burst x 3000 damage 12 Gauge Shotguns = 15,500 Lee Enfield=12,500 FN FAL/AKM/DMR/M14/M240/Mk48/Dragunov/CZ550 = 8000 AK/STANAG/M249/L85/M16/M4=5000 M1911/Revolver = 4500 Other Pistols/PDW/MP5 = 3,500 Hatchet=? (Actually, hatchet wounds are a doctor's worst nightmare...)) Hope this does not upset you but the suggestion has no justification in reality. Greetings Knollte.

1) Safe zones with guards are in numerous PvP mmo and have their very own problems: -The exits are very predictable and will be most likely perma camped by PKs -Welcome to the art of suicide ganking where for lol or awesome gear people willingly die to guard fire while their buddies loot the corpses (lee enfield dude kills hero with AS50 + wookie suit and coyote,his comrades pick up everything and the lee enfield=profit). -grenades. 2)Guards how fast do they kill ?how far can you shoot from outside into the safezone? will the Guards retaliate to the outtside? Do bullets get eaten by an invisible forcefield?Are Guards killable or invinceble?are invincible guards realistic? and so on.. 3)zombies prefer to attack bandits? sounds like a punishment. I like the idea of a sign for bandits more so that players can decide what the do with bandits.

The snipers will blot out the forrests.

Yep i like this adds to the apocalyptic atmosphere would love to see more of this stuff reminds me of the brilliant jagged alliance 2.

finally something that can carry all my loot :D.

No kar98 or mosin nagant :( I always liked the bren though.

So you like it better when everone looks like the coast campers? and everyone asumes strangers are hardcore bandits? actualy not a lot is going to change for bandits but for those who wish another playstyle now have an option without bandit skins one griefer could destroy trust for 10 of people because there was simply no way to identify them even if youknew the name. It seems sometime that people opposed to bandit skins do not want the game to change because they dont want others to have a different playstyle (interacting with survivors outside of TS). Also alot of people seem to forget that a major factor to remove the skins in the first place was because they where bugged as hell (e.g. removing bandits inventory when morphing) .

You dont :D its like if batman is bane only wearing a different costume ,but as long as he wears a bandit mask you know he is danger and can defend yourself. read more and discuss in this thread: http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/62598-masked-robberyassasination-bandit-skins/

I always ask myself if bandits would be as oposed to the idea if it was the other way around survivors have something they loose when the go bandit ,say all survivors have white armbands (or flowers in the hair^^).

Arg I want to choose all options but yes! radios aswell! maybe make to versions receive only and full blown radio.

Go to Word of warzombies or however this other game is named :D.

If you used the suggested mechanic cleverly no one would ever know your identiy (you wont go bandit)because no one ever had a chance to see your face.

There are long running games trying to figure out pvp and no system convinces me entirely I even think the bandit skins work pretty well compared to e.g. eve onlines security rating. However having no flag at all leads inevitably to clan dominance in my opinion so a flawed mechanic is better than none at all and I fear even with alot of work its not getting any better. To suggestions could address at least some of you mentioned issues: -A cooldown to humanity gains from bloodtransfers(for example only once a day to the same person or only 2 time a day at all). -the ability to hide your identity would allow to pvp without (huge) loss of humanity by wearing bandit masks voluntary. http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/62598-masked-robberyassasination-bandit-skins/#entry597660

What tension? after I was killed 2 times by strangers i met i simply started to avoid everyone or shoot people who saw me no uncertaincy at all. And like all people involved (bandits and anti pvp and others) will tell you not having a bandit skin does not mean someones friendly.

Possibly the next generation consoles will be able to run Arma 3.

I accually liked that also the traps and false promises it was a own sort of non shooting pvp ,smart people used it to their advantage. I hope rocket works out a radio system fast I believe this is alot more important than doggies or fancy clothes. Best thing I read where 3 very anoying bandits coordinating over side chat one of them via voice I had the pleasure to be near their psoition ...

Rocket is a grief mastermind you know whining about bandit will never stop and now he has all the bandit tears as well so actually QQ doubled I guess the moar tears the better :D. (ps. nothing as sweet as tears of l33t pvprs)

Even as someone who tries hard to avoid going bandit this looks much better than the towel. I´m all for it.