Most of the discussion seems to be heading in the right direction, i.e., not towards, "How do we mechanically penalize someone who snipes me," to, "How can I let people know player A has done this and change other players' reactions to them?" Not saying the point I'm going to make hasn't been made before, but I feel like I need to cast my vote to some degree. I'll start with survival. Survival is apparently the end all to this game, or at least how a lot of people seem to talk about it. But the thing is, survival is not particularly difficult. I understand that surviving isn't just keeping your character's numbers and colors high enough, but the process of finding water sources, food and warmth, arguably the three most basic things you need to survive, is not overly complicated, and if you play intelligently it's very possible to simply live on and survive. But for some players, including myself, that's not enough. I know I could pick a safe spot of the map to horde resources and count the hours that my character had lived, but I don't find satisfaction or entertainment in that. I don't see the point in exploring and surviving unless you do something with the experience and loot you get, and for me, that's PvP. Once I get kitted out with an M4, a good amount of ammo and food, then I'm going to go out and try to kill other players. Why? Because in my mind, that's all there is left to do. I've explored much of Chernarus because of being a long time ARMA 2 player and having played DayZ an additional amount. I have some interest in repairing a car for some lols, but I understand how quickly DayZ takeith away, so I'm not eager to spend twenty hours of work just to see my jeep get lit up. I can't make a house or area of town safe from zombies to make a shelter or permanent base, so what I'm left with is a set of experiences and tools to roam the map and engage in fights with other players. I really want to see someone disagree with me and respond to this, because as I see it, this is what I'm left with. Once you've 'done' the survival bit, gotten some gear and food and you're not in the dire straits survival wise, what is there left to do? That's where I'm stuck at, because if I measure my success in-game to "survive," I've already beaten it.