sivart

you are retarded. read 3 posts up from yours.

are you retarded? i said there wouldnt be 50 pages to read if everyone would read the first 2 or 3 pages. they would see their question already asked and lots of times already answered. so there might be 5 or 6 pages total to read. easy. most posts are short. but because of people like you, asking the same thing over and over and over and over and over it accumulates to 50 pages and you are right, who wants to read all that? instead of bitching at me, why dont you use your brain and not contribute to the fucking problem, by reading the first 2 pages before asking the same question asked by 300 other people."If you get placed out of bounds or stuck on geometry, how do you respawn?" has been discussed. figure it out.

yes i do expect you to read the fucking thread. thats why its here. if more people read the fucking thread there wouldnt be 54 fucking pages of THE SAME fucking question.

you guys are lucky there is more then 1 or 2 spawn points to begin with. remember tfc? or tribes? we could go to that...

are you kidding me? do ANY of you read anything before posting the same dumb question that has been asked 20-25 times already in this same thread?

it seems being kicked would be recorded differently then abort or just lost connection. there is a record of a kick, so that could be handled differently, or not at all.

hey man, i didnt mean to jump down your throat, and didnt mean for it to sound like that. sorry to sound like a dick.however, i disagree with the suicide position. i dont think the politicians/news media/knee jerk reactionist types who will jump on any bandwagon really care any more. this kind of shit has been beatin to death, and they, for the most part, have moved on i think. maybe its just me, but i dont give a fuck what people think about me or what i do. especially for a side project that i do on my own time with no pay. (now that may have changed for rocket, maybe now this is part of his job. maybe now he has to answer to someone?) but i dont think media opinion really matters or has any place in any development of anything. the world would be a different place if it did. i maintain it is rocket and his own piece of mind. (unless: now that may have changed for rocket, maybe now this is part of his job. maybe now he has to answer to someone?) which again, i completely understand. i could be wrong about any of this... murder is wrong. ending someone elses life, which is rampant in video games, even this one, is worse then ending my own. ending my own life is my choice. me ending yours is not your choice, its mine. to me, as long as there is murder, suicide is not an issue.

why do you guys keep going back to the fun thing? there are zombies/infected here. zombies are not fun. they are very very scary. and the infected type are not outside the realm of reality. the fun part playing with your friends? well if they die to zombie, they become a zombie, then you cant run with them anymore. to the point of a game, they respawn. can only do that in a game. so whats the problem to run for 30 minutes to catch up to someone that is dead? talk about realism and video game, there has to be a middle point.

legitimate players dont have anything to worry about. ban is the best solution. if you dont ban these hacks, they will find a work around. they can always buy another cd key and all that, but they will eventually stop doing that, eh?

i bring up the esrb because if games are developed for one age range, it wouldnt need to exist. i agree its a waste of space, but the different ratings-e teen, m or whatever are intended for different ages. that means "the establishment", whatever the fuck that is, does not see video games "for kids only" or else they would not require such ratings before distribution.the suicide thing is ok. this is meant for adults anyway, right? so give it a mature rating, and be done. its only a thing for rocket's conscience to become ok with. and i understand that. of course i know there is no way to stop a 5 year old from downloading something with a M+ rating, but there is also no way to stop a 5 year old from downloading porn. but it is still there. -just look at all the 5 year olds already here! also, i dont really see the suicide thing as much different then the current respawn. the dead screen still come up....the only difference i get from this thread is there would be an animation and a name change. pretty much the same thing.

right on man.just for kids.... what is the purpose of esrb?

the establishment? the average "gamer" is 38 years old. computer and console games are NOT seen as just for kids. think about it. i started out with pong. been playing games ever since. so have millions of other people. back then it might have been for kids, but after 30 years or so of people growing up with video games, most people dont just outright stop.vjust for kids? whatever dude.if you think people will do suicide because of a video game, why isnt there more murder? i remember grand theft auto had this similar issue. call of duty? tfc? counter strike? i dont see a difference between the murder suicide thing. i dont here of video games being blamed for rampant murder leading to marshal law or whatever scenario is in your head. i can name several games that have some form of suicide implemented. never heard bad shit about any of it. the fact is this is just something rocket is going to have to come to terms with and make his decision about. if/when he becomes comfortable with the idea, we will see it. if he never does, it will be scrapped.

agreed. been thinking about this, and the only viable solution i can come up with (i know im going to get ripped for this) is to get rid of tents. all together. no tents at all. period. it sure as shit would make dying horrible. -but keep vehicles and storage in the vehicles.

It's so easy to predict what you people will say/post it's sad. It's pretty funny this is what the forums have turned into.

its a waste of time to look for loot. it should all be in a pile at my feet when i spawn and NOT be a part of the game. we dont need a 15x15 sq km world. we dont need enter able buildings to find loot. in fact, the zombies kind of hinder me sometimes too. lets do away with the zeds! "people are making it seem like I'm too stupid to meet up with a friend and it will be challenging to run to see someone." dude, you are making yourself seem too stupid.

the no firearm was just a quick thought- i knew that isnt a valid solution, i wanted to get certain thoughts in the readers head. however, i have no idea what list you are talking about, and most other players dont either. and if i see you ingame, how am i going to know? with the way the game is now, i will shoot you on sight. ive been killed too many times the same way for no reason, i cant trust you. (or anyone). the other problem is, all the servers are representing the same world. obviously 200000 players cant be supported on one server, but the 1 world representation should still be treated as such. the other thing is, if you are allowed to server (dimension) hop to give blood, i (anyone) want to be able to hop to find blood. blood as in blood or food. so we are back where we started. i just think the same rules should apply to everyone and no exceptions. dont care about any list. doesnt make you any different from me. (i can put myself on a list too)

kill someone within 10 sec? sounds like youve never been in a combat situation.

i dont think that should matter. in a perfect world we would all be on 1 server right? anyway...to me its all 1 world. going from server to server in my eyes is like going to another dimension. shouldnt happen even for medics. if you dont have a bloodbag, too bad. go find one. if your buddy is on another server in the same space, too bad. get another medic. or stay on the same server. nothing personal, but with all the people and everything that happens around here, who is a medic and who isnt? "im friendly!" BOOM! dead. if dimension jumping is allowed for medics, then medics should not be capable of carrying a firearm. its the only way to prevent abuse.

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why are you talking to me? the link that you provided me says different definitions than what you listed on this page. you accuse me of picking out information to use to get attention, yet you did it yourself. kind of funny the only thing you can really say to me is that im an immature raging kiddie. i cant figure out why you are still here arguing over hacking. i dont think you really get it...

bravo

only a liar thinks repeating the same thing over and over makes it true. but my mind is likely to small to comprehend such things. later, loser.

first you better find out if he is white grey or orange. apparently certain colours are ok.

i didnt start shit. go read the thread. you can see it right on this very page. and yeah, you are obviously smarter than me and i of course i have no idea what you are talking about. you wouldnt have it any other way. your hat crap only exists in the world of the hacker, and is nothing more than for social status among hackers. same as "im a level 62 super warlock in wow." (never played it) it only means something to those that are involved with it. hacking is still hacking. i do similar shit too, smartass, but not on wan, not on an alpha project, not on somebody's work in progress mod, not on anything (without permission) that exists on any server or machine that is not mine. its internal only. that is in fact the definition of "white hat" from your link: A white hat hacker breaks security for non-malicious reasons, perhaps to test their own security system or while working for a security company which makes security software.This classification also includes individuals who perform penetration tests and vulnerability assessments within a contractual agreement. you were not payed by rocket, bis, the community, or me. you do not work for rocket, bis, the community, or me. i dont see any contractual agreement. therefore you are a hacker. in your terms, that is in fact the definition of "black hat" from your link: A Black Hat Hacker is a hacker who "violates computer security for little reason beyond maliciousness or for personal gain" (Moore, 2005).[7] personal gain sounds about right white, black, elite, really all the same. you are not part of this project, therefore you are one of the bad guys. eat shit, hack.

no. you dont get to be the bigger man here. you are an admitted cheater. there is no such thing as "white hacking." if you were part of the dev team, then it would be ok, but it also wouldntt be hacking would it. it would be developing. you are just a regular dude like me who has no business doing that. you also said your group of buddies do it too, then got pinched one time because they went onto a normal server and forgot to not cheat-getting banned. am i supposed to trust you? am i supposed to trust them? yet im the "obviously your on some level immature and you jump to whatever decision you deem best that will draw attention to you." yup, im the one using the information you provided to jump to a decision that you disagree with. im also the one coming on here telling the world im a hacker and trying to sound like im in the right for it. obviously im the one after the attention. go develop your own thing and "hack" in that all you want.