TrialBySword

Basically the bandage only faster. Comes in powder form to instantly stop bleeding. Same function of the bandage, but at 1/10th the speed (or whatever seems fair). Would be extremely useful when running from zombies or players as it would stop the bleeding quickly to either get back in the fight or get the hell out. Regular bandages take way too long to be used in combat situations IMHO. It could come in small pouches like Celox or Quikclot. If you don't know what those are, google them. The powder form that is directly poured into the wound with direct pressure. In order to balance them they would need to be somewhat rare. Maybe military drop only? I've also heard that Quikclot can cause nasty chemical burns... So maybe it even sacrifices some blood points in exchange for a quick patch. Perhaps it could even be a temporary fix and requires an actual bandage or bleeding would start again. Directions call for direct pressure for 5+ minutes so maybe the clot falls out and player bleeds without added bandage. I was an EMT and our rig carried Celox-A Applicator for penetration/puncture wounds such as knife or gunshot. I also go shooting a lot and always take a few for worst case scenario accidents. Thoughts? It's a relatively simple idea. Probably easy to implement in the game. I searched for similar ideas in the suggestion topic but I haven't seen any like this. I'm also new to the forum, and DayZ in general. This is my first post.

I'm liking the pos/neg feedback pplz. Thank you all and please keep it up. I think I've said all that I can to either have this idea considered or killed. I'll come back to this thread in a month; maybe peek occasionally and see how it's doing. For now I have a shit ton if work ahead of me college/work-wise but hopefully I'll be slightly more free when the SA comes around. Later

@DemonGroover I'm not even going to respond to your lame ass troll. EDIT: Actually I guess I just did but I'll just add that you suck at trolling.

Well put sir. I agree and think it's best to wait. Also, if my quick patch idea isn't popular or wouldn't add any thing then there is no point in discussing it further. As much as I'd hate to discourage team play, I do enjoy being the 'lone wolf' type. Which is probably why I came up with this idea in the first place lol.

@thebirdolux I know the military has done away with powders themselves, I had heard they use bandages, 4x4s, sponges, etc laced with a clotting agent although I haven't verified. I know they don't use the more popular brand QuikClot (as it's horrible) I had heard they were experimenting with Celox. I have not actually followed up with this, but can tell you the few private ambulance companies I've worked for have used it - both powder and 4x4s If an artery was wholly or partially severed tourniquets, a clot agent or even a bandage (with lots of pressure) wouldn't really work out unless the player could get to a doctor. Either way you risk embolism or gangrene. We don't know what kind of bleeding happens in the game as it doesnt specify and a mere bandage can stop it. Judging by the speed of blood flow viewing from third person it appears to be an artery... Your game character would be pretty much effed regardless in DayZ's apocolyps scenario. Even if it's not a cut artery it seems there is no 100% realistic way to have a quick temp bleeding fix, but then again patching yourself up with a bandage in 10 seconds without disinfecting/direct pressure isn't very realistic either. I'm still hoping there might be a way to apply a temporary 'combat patch' without it seeming too far-fetched. I like the tourniquet idea if nothing else...

This and the cyanoacrylate/superglue idea suggested by Zeppa as a DIY temp bleeding control. Still would probably take way longer than clotting agent but I like the idea of a somewhat common item that can be used to stop bleeding. I personally believe the bandage is way too common. You find them everywhere! Now I can see improvised bandages maybe from torn clothes or bed sheets to make 4x4 pads and wrap em... getting off topic...

Demonstration: EDIT: NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH; This is what we carried on our rigs. It doesn't burn like Quikclot and clots faster too. Quikclot however, is more popular. I'm not calling for a particular brand, just a hemostatic agent in general to offer a new aspect to combat gameplay. Even as far as to be able to use it while running, cycle through weapons, crowbar, flares, grenade, hemostat! (or tourniquet) player clicks, bleeding temporarily stopped without breaking stride. Again, the 5 minute direct pressure is purely protocol and the clotting is virtually instantaneous. Would probably want to keep a hand on it while shuffling away, but if your life is on the line no need for an insane amount/allotment of pressure unless you're trying to avoid malpractice lawsuits. Just trying to inject a new aspect for combat. Something to "Apply and fight" or "Apply and run away" where you don't have 10 seconds to bandage and if you don't use it you risk bleeding to unconsciousness. I'M NOT AFRAID TO KILL THIS IDEA IF IT TRULY SUCKS OR DOESN'T WORK! Especially if health/blood is getting reworked for the SA. But I truly think it has potential with my real life experiences. If someone has a better idea for some kind of "active/on the go" bleeding control, please share.

Listen guys, I'm not afraid to see this idea die if it doesn't fit, and you guys are bringing up some good points. I would like, however, to see some kind of way to stop bleeding quickly in the heat of battle, whether it be tourniquets (again, I've applied them and they're slower...not to mention a LAST RESORT for an EMT to use) or something else along those lines. I only suggested a clotting agent because that is what I have experience with, and it's also what I keep in my home medi jump-bag, my range bag, and my BOB, for bleeding emergencies. It is also, no doubt, something I would keep in my front pocket if I ever had the slightest thought I'd end up in a gunfight.

Yeah I suppose you're right. I guess I wasn't thinking of it that way. This is very unique game when it comes to "health" thanks for correction. I was thinking of how when a zombie hits you, or when you're shot, it removes blood instantly. Kinda like that... Something to balance it. But going for realism it should probably just be temporary. I just don't want to implement a "magic insta-heal!" that is uber cheap.

Sorry when I said "Pain" or hurt I meant like it would knock off a few Blood points. Not the effect status pain. Sorry bout that. I figured it could hurt like 50-100 blood (or some smallish amount) but in the long-run save more than if you let him bleed

Generators run on gasoline, no? Jerrycan + Generator = Temporary Electricity Or Jerryenerator (couldn't resist)

This idea needs work but I like where it's going. Personally when it comes to thirst I think it's too easy to survive in the wild with nothing but a common water bottle. Maybe ALL natural water should be filtered/distilled. I backpack a lot and carry a portable filter with me for filling up at streams and lakes. It won't filter salt water but it could be purified some other way.

It's faster I guarantee it. It's an almost instant reaction; I'm talking like a second and a half. You're talking to someone who has emergency medical experience and who has used this stuff in the field. About the advanced laced sponges or bandages I wasn't calling for those. Even though they'd be more effective when packed into a wound, they aren't common like little packets of QuikClot or Celox which is pretty much on every rig in America nowadays. And as far as tourniquets, realistically you'll lose your arm if you leave one one too long. However, perhaps replacing it with the same idea (fast but temporary fix followed by a bandage) then it would still employ the same combat dynamic. However it still won't be faster than a little package of QC or Celox.

It's faster I guarantee it. It's an almost instant reaction; I'm talking like a second and a half. You're talking to someone who has emergency medical experience and who has used this stuff in the field. About the advanced laced sponges or bandages I wasn't calling for those. Even though they'd be more effective when packed into a wound, they aren't common to civilians like Celox which has been on every rig I've worked on. I mentioned QC because it's more readily available in outdoor sporting stores. And as far as tourniquets, realistically you'll lose your arm if you leave one on too long. However, perhaps replacing it with the same idea (fast but temporary fix followed by a bandage) then it would still employ the same combat dynamic. It would differ in that it could be reuseable. However it still won't be faster than a little package of QC or Celox. More effective, yes. Faster, no. And I'm focusing on speed for this dynamic.

I agree. Bandageing is a quick fix versus disinfecting and stitching. But again... You won't catch me bandaging myself while someone is shooting at and/or chasing me. Bandaging is for downtime or when you're behind good cover. QuikClot is when there is someone hot on your ass and you don't have 10 seconds to spare, but also don't want to bleed out and fall unconscious. The whole point is to add another dimension to combat. Not as much to healing or even "fixing" It's why it should be temporary and hurt a little.

Remove TWS weapons and replace it with a standalone that fits into the NVG or Binoc slot. Also make it VERY rare and something that can only be used as binocs (not just toggled on/off, but stays zoomed like binocs/rangefinder) But before ANY of that... Fix duping/hacking. If you can't fix that, remove them.

I don't want it to be a magic insta-heal... It's not in the real world. Just a temp fix to bug-out of a bad situation or kill whatever's ailing you. I can see how a temp quick fix could be beneficial even with horrible side effects like chem burns and non-permenant. My goal for coming up with good suggestions has only 4 criteria: 1. Simple to understand; not overly complicated and confusing. 2. Simple to implement in the game; no massive or complex scripting/modeling (best way to avoid bugs; also gets it in the game quicker) 3. Logical idea, or improvement of an existing idea. 4. Add a new/interesting dynamic by said new/improved idea. QuikClot: 1. Stops bleeding quickly but temporarily and cost a little blood. 2. Look identical to heat pack model (blue, not yellow), relatively easy to script with a timer (I assume). 3. Many medical personell and even some military branches use this stuff, if not powder then combat gauze laced with it so it would seem logical to find in hospitals or military encampments. 4. I also believe it would add a new dynamic to the combat aspect of the game. You don't know whether or not that player you just wounded might be patched up ready to fight. Or a last resort patch while running wounded through a field from a pack of unrelenting zombies. Plus it would give you something else to stuff in the bandage/mag pouch making it semi-strategic. Do I take an extra mag? Or QC with a needed follow-up bandage? As far as the 5+ minutes, that is extreme overkill. The agent immediately clots the blood as soon as it it is pressed into the wound and makes contact. The 5min is just EMT protocol to be 110% sure and avoid malpractice lawsuits.

I like the idea of superglue. It'd make the bandage more rare as it should be and it would replace it with a temp (maybe prolonged?) fix. It's just not as fast as the clot powder and I would never try to superglue my open leg wound while being shot at or chased by zombies... I'd like to see both perhaps

Temp fix plus it hurts a bit... Combined with a rare find. Thx pplz Edit: it actually requires semi-immediate doctor care IRL. Quikclot is some nasty stuff to have in the bloodstream. It's only to stop life threatening bleeding UNTIL patient gets to the hospital and under MD care. It's why we didn't use it... Celox is much less harmful overall but would probably be too cheap for the game. Plus Quikclot is more popular brand anyways. Find em at any outdoors store in/near first aid isle.

Sorry about the essay. It didn't seem so long until I hit 'post'