I've played over 300 hours worth of BF3 and got literally thousands of kills. I recall very few of them specifically and almost none with any level of excitement; even up close knife kills are pretty hum drum in hindsight. I've killed 30 - 40 players in Day Z and, save for the sniper trolling in Cherno, everyone one of those kills has been a heart pounding experience with a distinct narrative that makes them incredibly easy to recall. The amount of times i've had to stop stalking someone and BREATHE, actually employ tactical breathing techniques IRL because I can feel my heart smashing into my ribs, is incredible. I think what allows this immersion to occur is the fraility of the experience. Day Z is not so much a Zombie Survival piece as an ultra marathon sim. But that time and space adds tremendous value to making risky decisions; you've just poured 9 hours into getting kitted out in elite tier weapons and items, survived a few close calls and probably ruined a few people's day, is creating more uncertainity worth it at this point? The answer is always yes >:D Hunting Zombies. Who cares? You can never kill them, they don't die or go away, they just come back. They're an environmental hazard, like radiation. You don't defeat them; you manage them. This is what I can't understand about "survivors". What's the point? You're fighting a war you can't win against an enemy that has no agenda. Yeah zombies will hurt you but there's nothing behind that behaviour and there are no real rewards in taking them down. Killing other players, even if I don't loot a useful item I get a really unique opportunity to stress myself, to access a physical and mental state that is usually reserved for true high risk activities. The only other place personally that i've experienced that type of elevated experience is in genuine violent physical confrontations. That says a lot that a video game can pull out that response! And it's useful too; if you can get that response in a safe environment and learn to manage it and bring your arousal (tehe arousal) to the sweet spot of heightened awareness without losing co-ordination, then if you ever ARE in a dangerous situation, you won't freeze up. And that is why I'm a bandit. TL:DR Bandits learn to control aspects of genuine combat stress, survivors shoot paper targets.