Rakajj

I'm a fan of the character's being unique to the server. Prevents not only the more annoying half of disconnecting to avoid death, but barbed wire, bear traps, etc. are fucking pointless if people can find your camp and bypass all your defenses on another server then swap. Fuck that shit. Make characters unique to the server and the problem is solved.

My server, NY47 runs GMT+8 which is roughly reverse time from NY.

/signed. I find myself going through logs only to end up saying...well...looks like it was one of these...15 people...Derp...

No, you haven't. You've said how you know if someone DC's on YOU and that you can prove that since you run Fraps all the time. You are yet to say how you are going to protect anyone else on your server from DC'ers. Short of them ALSO running fraps with time-stamps, knowing the id of the person they were shooting at, and being able to line their timestamped DC up with server logs you can't know with any level of certainty that the person claiming to be a victim of a DC'er isn't making a false claim.

YOU, sure. The rest of the server is SOL. That or your server is ripe for abuse where people can get others banned just by claiming X disconnected when I fired at them. All you can do is check to see if X disconnected...if X did...derp...must have DC'd, guess I ban them.

I suppose it's a bit redundant at this point, but NY47 does not. It's giving admins enough rope to hang themselves with, without the proper tools or resources to be able to enforce this rule fairly and adequately. It isn't a solution.

I also host NY47 with Vilayer and am quite pleased. Definitely one of the better if not the best host, good prices good support would buy again :-P

I don't think anyone here has said DC'ing wasn't an exploit or cheap as fuck Wild, what we've said from the start is that the Dev's haven't granted Server Admins the right to police it as the only ones who will be protected then from DC'ing are server admins and it'll be he-said-she-said outside of that as there isn't any logging that would allow for remotely definitive proof. So...again...what happened to the other thread?

"If you don't ----play on our servers----, you've got nothing to fear from 'power-hungry' and 'deluded' admins like me and Wildgunstomcat." FTFY What the fuck happened to the other thread with Vip's post in it? As he said there, the point is that 'proof' is very hard to get for something like this and it comes down to A's word against B's with the Admin getting more than enough rope to hang himself and every other person on the server. I'm also pretty sick of your insistence that nobody could possibly want admins to have some reasonable limits on our power without wanting to exploit or cheat in some way. You are clearly wrong on that, as I exist. I exist, therefore, you are wrong. I've -never- fucking disconnected to avoid a PvP fight OR to despawn zombies as seems to be even more common, just because if I aggro them, it's my fault, I have to deal with those consequences. Stats are meaningless, I could have 100 murders but if I had dc'd once mid-firefight that would be a meaningless achievement as I would've cheated to get it and that's like bragging about the World Series you won while on steroids or the achievements you got in -insert game here- while using cheat codes for God mode. The problem is not Server Admins getting exploiters off their servers, I don't have an issue with that, the problem is, as Vip said, it's very fucking hard to nail down when a ban is legitimately needed and when it isn't, not to mention this is doubly the case when the scenarios occur in extension. So what you'd have is a whole lot of people gaming admins, and even some admins taking advantage of this, to ban whoever ticked them off or stole their shit because there isn't an effective way to prove the disconnecter alt-F4'd. You might be fairly confident if you experience it first hand, but you can't prove it outside of FRAPS'ing both your screen and theirs, as with the hellacious amounts of desync we have in 1.7.1.x we can barely keep a group of mates together let alone be sure the enemies we see are actually where they appear to be. So my point is, as it has been for the whole thread, it's far better to keep the can of worms, inside the can, and let the Devs find ways to deal with these exploits that don't result in so many dramatic situations and bans on less than solid ground.

Well, now that we've gotten all of our hasty generalizations out of the way. I'm glad Vip weighed in here as he hammered away on many of the important points of where allowing the banhammer can lead to many pitfalls of Admins having too much power. I'm also glad Wild has decided to be reasonable about this. Hopefully something more than the 5 or 8 second hangtime will be implemented in the future, as without a connect/disconnect message five seconds is a pretty short window for action and as it is it only blocks people who Alt-F4 as they are being shot, not people who run around corners, etc. and do it.

Powermolch, that's not really the point. The point is that the Devs have put out fairly strict rules for hosting. Your same logic of 'the exploiters can search for another server to exploit on' could be applied to anything (the clan that just killed the hosts can find another server to play on, the person who disagreed with the admin can find another server to play on, the person who did anything the admin didn't like can...you get the idea) For me this is far less about a few people getting banned from a server, and more about the flood gates it opens for admins to start banhammering whoever for whatever reason they decide is legitimate regardless of what rules are out there.

I've heard it is more or less on server restart...haven't confirmed that though. I'm also not sure, and more curious about, whether or not it seeds the same vehicle to respawn or another in the list as it doesn't seem like every server has every vehicle on it. So if we blow up a Hatchback...does a hatchback respawn? Or a UAZ...or bus...or bike...etc.

Had the same problem on my server last night. They hop from popular server to popular server and unload on us. Fortunately most of our regulars weren't on I don't think, but still had about 60 people die when they insta-killed the entire server =/ this morning.

I also host with Vilayer and haven't had any issues connecting to my server or the site. Might be on your end, not sure though.

Pub scrub? Ha, what a joke. No, we played on your server for almost a week, saw numerous bouts between you and random people on your server and have seen a ton more posts on these boards of people complaining about your server than I've seen of any other particular server. The fact that you would randomly do restarts without warning, took your server down for 12+ hours to do 'hardware testing' without warning, used 'faggot' like it was some people's first names, and clearly were going to be trouble down the road as you never resolved any altercations or drama civilly was most of the inspiration for us plopping out the cash to get our own dedicated server where we wouldn't have to deal with renegade admins like you. If the only opinions that matter to you are devs, you should stop posting on the fucking public forums and just email all your thoughts to the devs as the vast...vast majority of what you will get here is non-dev responses. It's sad that you think not caring about what the people who play on your server think is somehow a badge of honor as you throw that line out like a broken record.