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No regard for the emotional response, jesus christ. Are we seriously at the point now where we talk about the emotional impact of PVP? Really?

This is akin to the people who complain about the difficulty level of solo'ing dungeons/bosses in an MMO, this game is MP and will forever be MP. Asking for singleplayer while complaining that sidechat is disabled is 10 different types of stupid Sure, difference is, right now you can get actively banned for those actions, whereas posting a completely fucktarded idea, you don't. And then those of us who actively speak up, are told oh just ignore them. The only complaining about PVE you hear is about the shitty AI that ArmA inherently has, or the lack of it, period. How many of them are actually active? Probably a lot less. Then by that logic, a lot of those bandits aren't active, which skews that number also. No matter what, theres fewer bandits than players, no matter what leap of logic you use. Numbers don't answer a thing, when they hurt your argument

I think he's asking more along the lines of what the game considers a bandit, which I believe killing 1-2 players will make you a bandit in the game's eyes

Difference being, if im backed into a building, against a wall, or inside a building, being in 3rd person has no benefit to me, but it has great benefit to the guy outside that, who can see me while i'm unable to see him, even with the same feature. It's a crutch mechanic for people who want a leg up on the competition, and it's just another thing to make the server listing process look even more like garbage and fragment the community even more. Lock 3rd Person, get rid of crosshairs and name tags. Poof, the game just got 10% better.

My way of playing the game is playing it as is, I don't complain about anything other than a straight out bug. Is it wrong for thinking that this community would be a lot nicer place if more people had this mentality (i.e. did their job as alpha testers)? I've never stated that PVE doesn't belong in the game, i've never made a post stating "I GOT BAD TOUCHED BY A ZOMBIE, PLZ NERF PVE" or "I SHOT A PLAYER AND MY GUN MADE ZOMBIES WARP THROUGH THE WALL AND KILL ME, REMOVE PVE". You are putting words in my mouth, I said the casual / single player /zombie focused players don't belong here, because playing an online game for single player is fucking stupid, as stupid as complaining that this game is too hard, or that its sandbox nature is too 'sandboxy' Nope, but I guarantee you one element that will never die out no matter what you add/subtract, and that's PVP. You could restrict us to one bullet per life and someone would still aspire to put it in the skulls of passing players. Never once said I wanted a large clan to run with, I play the game with one other person, this is an example of you not knowing what you are talking about and jumping into a conversation. Yes, I believe my play style is correct. Because I play the game, and I don't complain about it when others do the same. If everyone else did this, this entire community would be a lot nicer. Just like you responding here telling me i'm arrogant and foolish right? You could of taken your own advice and just not responded, but something compelled you to do so, crazy huh? Read through the forums, and count how many players complain about PVP. Go ahead. Then get back to me on that statement. None of this even has a shred of credibility to it. PVP isn't as bad as people make it out to be, if it were, then I wouldn't be gaining so many murders, instead of bandit kills. If I get 30+ kills per night, and only 1-2 bandit kills, then that tells me that theres obviously not as big of a bandit problem as people make it out to be. And if theres 70 million zombies killed right now and only 1.1 million murders, then obviously PVE is taking place, the game hasn't turned into pure PVP. And if theres 50k bandits alive right now compared to the 273k normal players alive right now, then this mentality of theres 2 bandits for every 1 player is completely wrong. There's just a lot of really vocal butthurt players, as stated in my signature, by rocket.

Which is why they aren't welcome here. And this is why our community is laughable. They aren't welcome here because they play the game differently than you do? Beating your chest to show all those casuals that you're sooo much more awesome than them must feel really great. And this is why we get a million stupid ideas a day, is because everyone thinks they know what will fix this game, when infact it's not the game that's broken, 9/10 it's their method of thinking. Do I think casuals belong in a hardcore survival simulation on a milsim engine? No. If you think just because they got some publicity that the core audience of this mod somehow changed it towards the casual crowd, you're in for a rude awakening. The difference between us & them is, we play the game how it is. They play the game, and then come to the forums to tell us how it should be. That's where the friction comes in. Last night I got killed by a guy who logged out as I shot him, only to have him move into position behind me in the building on another server, log in, and shoot me dead, wasting hours of work that it took to get that gear and to that city. Did I run to the forums talking about how they should eliminate PvP? Nope. I respawned and went back at it again. I don't understand the stances some people are taking, just for the simple fact that they can be contrary. Players of ANY type should not have to resort to offline meta-gaming in order to survive amicably inside the game they play. If you want to meta-game to be a bandit or whatever, great, good for you. I think that's poor sportsmanship, and completely avoiding the entire point of the game, but good job. Forcing offline meta-gaming on other players is a shitty answer to a boorish question. It's not even really that legitimate, either. Players liked to use side chat as an IN GAME feature. You're suggesting that players try to actively circumvent the in-game features which are meant to instill a greater sense of high-stakes immersion, because that's what everybody else does... Play the game the way you like it, and allow others to play it the way they like, and make suggestions based on what -they- would like. At the end of the day, isn't that what this is all about? This is Dayz, not the great Crusades. We don't need to convert people or burn them down. Just let ideas slide, if you don't agree with them. This animosity and down-shouting is just so... Depressing. PVP is the symptom' date=' not the problem. The real problem is with PVPers who want to run all non-PVPers out of town. PVPers who think Dayz should not -ever- have a legitimate PVE population is the problem. Dicks are the problem. PVPers are not always dicks. :) [/quote'] Since when does everyone refer to using voice chat as "meta"? Sounds like another shitty buzzword to use like 'entitled' or 'casual'. Why should we let other people make suggestions based on what they like? We are alpha testers are we not? Has rocket not stated that he follows his own development path and cares little of what people suggest? And yeah he made that post blahblahblah, search his posts sometime, the only time he replies 99% of the time is in the actual patch threads, and that's usually to a bug report. This whole idea of 'just ignore the ideas if you don't like them' is what continues to allow these people to pollute the forums with their thinking, it's the same stupid ass mentality that has that thread about the nighttime being too dark still open even after they said they were testing a new lighting system cause guess what, it was too fucking dark, and yet you have the same retards who registered in June, arguing with other retards who registered in June, back and forth over whether it's realistic or not, or people cleverly stating how it's fine how it is, l2play, etc It's the same reason we have threads like this, and you can still look down and see 1297489173 other threads about how bandits hurt their feelings and they should implement {retarded idea here}. Saying we shouldn't look down on those people who play this for PVE, when its a game that centers (as it stands currently) on PvP, is stupid at best. This is NOT a PVE game, so stop trying to make it one. Does it contain PVE elements? Yep. Everytime you kill a zombie you are engaging in PVE, so unless you've never killed a zombie you can't call yourself a PVP'er. We don't need a pure PVE element, theres other zombie mods/games for that, they can go RP in those servers with the rest of the 12 year olds, but don't act like i'm the dick because i'm playing the game the way it was made to be played, i.e. with no restrictions. We aren't all on the same team.

Which is why they aren't welcome here.

Tacti-cool.

Mine also does that, has to be an issue with the newer drivers or something, it was fixed for a while

Really? So as soon as the dead get up' date=' everyone just forgets how to build, forgets how to cooperate, forgets how to do everything that keeps society going? Why don't you show us your dual PhDs then? Since you seem to know that everyone would just kill anything that moves at the outset of the apocalypse, couldn't hurt to at least have some credentials to make your point seem more believable.

So says the king of the straw man fallacy. I could making a drinking game out of every single time you've compared DayZ to another game

So out of the hundreds of thousands of players stretched out over 600+ servers you managed to find a video of people acting like dicks. Congrats. There'll be more, count on it. And in a lot of ways it's a good thing, punctures some of the over optimistic media hype. I don't mind it being a hard core PvP game, but people should know what they are buying into. So before someone buys a motorcycle, they should show them footage of people smeared across the highway, with Jose the Highway worker shoveling them up into a hefty bag? There's no grey area with you is it, it's one extreme to the next, one minute you rally against PVP like you were bad touched by a PK'er in your formative years, then the next you curl up into a ball and talk about how you 'don't mind it, i just want to educate others'. You could type any game into Youtube and find someone doing something other than what was intended with it, usually to a terrible soundtrack at that. I just think you have a completely different mindset, and based on the way you talk, you want this game to operate like an MMO/D&D style game Well, if basically every other motorist was out to kill you and run you off the road on sight, then yes, it would be a good idea to show them that kind of video. Even your strawman argument is indefensable. Most who buy Arma II and get this mod (because they visit the website and it looks "awesome") are expecting something completely different to what it actually is like. So why is it a bad thing to tell people what it is like before hand. The majority of this playerbase of this mod is bloodthirsty / forum trolling / exploiters. My advice for anyone would be to come and read through the forums for a while before getting it, as the "community" on display here says it all about the "type" of in game experience that can be expected. And where do you fit in that demographic? You people keep applying your scenarios to everyone else, i've never had this sort of thing happen to me ingame. I've never seen a roaming deathsquad of bandit commandos rolling down the street killing everyone indiscriminately, but the way you people talk this shit happens every hour on the hour. It's all subjective, noone will have the same experience, so stop applying this logic that the whole game has gone completely to the wolves when it hasn't.

So out of the hundreds of thousands of players stretched out over 600+ servers you managed to find a video of people acting like dicks. Congrats. There'll be more, count on it. And in a lot of ways it's a good thing, punctures some of the over optimistic media hype. I don't mind it being a hard core PvP game, but people should know what they are buying into. So before someone buys a motorcycle, they should show them footage of people smeared across the highway, with Jose the Highway worker shoveling them up into a hefty bag? There's no grey area with you is it, it's one extreme to the next, one minute you rally against PVP like you were bad touched by a PK'er in your formative years, then the next you curl up into a ball and talk about how you 'don't mind it, i just want to educate others'. You could type any game into Youtube and find someone doing something other than what was intended with it, usually to a terrible soundtrack at that. I just think you have a completely different mindset, and based on the way you talk, you want this game to operate like an MMO/D&D style game

It's all server dependent though, that's the thing. There's over 600 servers out there right now at any given time. I used to be one of the people who would say it wasn't a big deal also, but I've been doing some jumping around lately and there is barbwire everywhere. Personally, I think he should just can the feature until it's refined because it's terrible trying to find any supplies, especially when you can only loot 5-6 buildings in a town and every single one is wired off

So out of the hundreds of thousands of players stretched out over 600+ servers you managed to find a video of people acting like dicks. Congrats.

Had a couple weird happenings, with people with zombie skins warping around behind me over and over no matter how many times I gunned them down. Respawned in Prigorodki, ran inland, and this is what I happened across

You let america down.

http://www.dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=10171 No counter-threads, brah.

Can't wait to see the blacklist on this one. Also can't wait to see him disable 3rd person, crosshair, nametags and all the other bullshit that makes the server list horrid to sort through

9, without the rape.