Dear Dev-Team, can we get some ANSWERS regarding the FUTURE of our beloved GAME?

[liquidcactus 719]

This is a great thread. Alot of reminders.

[0.64 Freerider 261]

On 6/16/2019 at 2:26 PM, ImageCtrl said:

I don't think that YOU learned something.

^^ this is learning.

Silly was this question: "What speaks against talking about what you are currently working on?" At least with this link in front of it.

 

 

 

 

Ok, so I LEARNED from past experience, that THEY had huge problems sticking to deadlines. And as you point out by quoting raptor, THEY "learned" that they won't be releasing any information about what they are working on, not to mention deadlines, if they actually have any at this point.

 

Now you call this "learning", but it could also be looked at as USING the past screwups to justify at this very convenient moment in time, relieving themselves of all pressure. Have you ever heard the saying "A work  will always take as much time, as is given for it or more, but never less"? Any professional company and especially head of company will tell you that things are only achieved when time constraints are set up and followed up consequently.

 

Now if you and I were friends, and we would set up a meeting, let's say I just don't show up. The next meeting I don't show up again. Apologizing but on the next one I don't show up either. And NOW the amazing conclusion: Instead of working on my ability to ACTUALLY show up to our meetings, I "learned", as you've put it, that I can't show up to meetings quite evidently, so I'm not even going to set up any more. :DDD I hope this comparison brings things into perspective for you.

 

One last thing: How is my question "What speaks against talking about what you are currently working on?" with the lin to raptors text in front of it, silly? The only explanation I found is that you think my question is answered by raptors text, only IT ISN'T.

 

There is a difference between informing on what you are working on and actually annoncing ETA's and deadlines. Raptor cleverly used this and people like you who's perception appearently have a hard time making the differenciation, to justify their going silent.

Edited June 22, 2019 by 0.64 Freerider

[hemmo 55]

15 hours ago, Guy Smiley said:

What effort has this amazing development team put it?  Someone, please enlighten me.  2 new vehicles?  Wow.  Great job devs.  You added 2 vehicles in half a year.  Gold star.  More guns?  Fuck ya.  Great job dev team.  You're the best.  You can't do no wrong.  Have a pat on the back.  Throwing items?  Errm, what?  Oh we have more guns and 2 new vehicles.  Great job dev team!!!!  Oh surely bows and fishing are in after half a year right?  what?  No?  Oh silly me, we have console versions that were high priority.  My bad.  Great job dev team have another gold star.  Boy, I'm glad that everyone who backed this game from 2013-2014 got what they were promised already.  Great job Bohemia.  You're the best

I dont belive you are actually playing the game activly... please move on to trolling another forum.

No serious, if you were, you would have seen it.

<insterts sugar cube> Here take a sugar cube for your sourness. 

 

 

[0.64 Freerider 261]

3 minutes ago, hemmo said:

I dont belive you are actually playing the game activly... please move on to trolling another forum.

No serious, if you were, you would have seen it.

<insterts sugar cube> Here take a sugar cube for your sourness. 

 

 

How about, instead of throwing around empty phrases and making edgy funny jokes, you actually point us to what we "would have seen" and put it into comparison to what they actually wanted to achieve. Here's the list again for you, third time posting this now.

Quote

Features and improvements planned for BETA/1.0, or originally in 0.62, but moved post 1.0

• Helicopters
  • we've arrived at the decision that base building implementation will provide enough of an end goal for players, so helicopters can be added later on
• Climbing over obstacles
  • this feature required additional programming and animation support that we've decided to invest more effectively into other parts of the game 
• Throwing items
  • throwing requires a lot of additional specialist work on physics and network synchronization, and we'd rather invest that into vehicles and other features
  • this includes throwable weapons like grenades or smoke grenades
• Bows
  • the implementation of bows means an introduction of a completely new weapon type on 0.63 and was always a risky goal, in the end unfortunately not achievable in 2018; we've invested the programming time into gun play, melee combat, vehicles and other core features that were more important
• Character and infected ragdoll
  • unfortunately, there are many network synchronization cases that we need to resolve and implementing ragdolls in combination with death animations will require more time and resources
• Two-way doors
  • while a huge quality of life improvement, changing the doors to two way opening will require additional rework of some of the assets, and is not achievable in 2018
• Fishing and fish traps, decaying bodies, carrying characters, contaminated areas, item coloring etc.
  • these are considered flavor features and for now, work on core gameplay features was prioritized instead

Oh and FYI. I've played the game quite alot in 2019, so I know what I'm takling about.

[hemmo 55]

10 minutes ago, 0.64 Freerider said:

How about, instead of throwing around empty phrases and making edgy funny jokes, you actually point us to what we "would have seen" and put it into comparison to what they actually wanted to achieve. Here's the list again for you, third time posting this now.

Oh and FYI. I've played the game quite alot in 2019, so I know what I'm takling about.

Ha! Im not going to make it that easy for you and mr troll.... just play and pay attention to character interactables... (stealth, sickness, sounds, reloads, nv, F relatables ect ect).

You do realise that you are just pushing your wants onto devs right? "Mommy mommy i want the lollypop now!! You've said i would get it! Boewhoo".

Incase this makes you a bit lost,.. they need to have the point in the first paragraph here fixed before your points will even be concidered is my best 2ct bet. 

Edited June 17, 2019 by hemmo

[0.64 Freerider 261]

Just now, hemmo said:

Ha! Im not going to make it that easy for you

Well, that's...unsurprising. The only troll and the only one anger-baiting in this entire thread is you, but you know that. Now since you couldn't follow up on my polite request to provide some factual comparison between what they said they would be working on and what they have actually delivered, you have disqualified yourself from a logical discussion.

[Max Planck 7174]

Let's all keep the personal remarks out of the discussion now. Otherwise this topic will be going rancid real fast, and I will have to close it. And, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary, I don't like doing that.

Edited June 17, 2019 by Max Planck

[Lt.Master 77]

9 minutes ago, 0.64 Freerider said:

Ok, so I LEARNED from past experience, that THEY had huge problems sticking to deadlines. And as you point out by quoting raptor, THEY "learned" that they won't be releasing any information about what they are working on, not to mention deadlines, if they actually have any at this point.

Now you call this "learning", but it could also be looked at as USING the past screwups to justify at this very convenient moment in time, relieving themselves of all pressure. Have you ever heard the saying "A work  will always take as much time, as is given for it or more, but never less"? Any professional company and especially head of company will tell you that things are only achieved when time constraints are set up and followed up consequently.

Now if you and I were friends, and we would set up a meeting, let's say I just don't show up. The next meeting I don't show up again. Apologizing but on the next one I don't show up either. And NOW the amazing conclusion: Instead of working on my ability to ACTUALLY show up to our meetings, I "learned", as you've put it, that I can't show up to meetings quite evidently, so I'm not even going to set up any more. :DDD I hope this comparison brings things into perspective for you.

One last thing: How is my question "What speaks against talking about what you are currently working on?" silly with the link, that links to raptors text in front of it, silly? The only explanation I found is that you think my question is answered by raptors text, only IT ISN'T.

There is a difference between informing on what you are working on and actually annoncing ETA's and deadlines. Raptor cleverly used this and people like you who's perception appearently have a hard time making the differenciation, to justify their going silent.

Well, personnaly I don't really care if I have not a single information until the update drop... It was like that with The Forest and nobody cryed x)

We could say the same thing with CS:GO thinking about it 🤔

But the original subject of this topic was about the missing roadmap(or preview) and Peter.

About the roadmap or any preview I don't care at all.

About Peter, I don't really see why people freak out... The main writer and designer left the subnautica team a while back and no one gave a dam... Same thing for Minecraft and still no one cryed, they've just said goodbye to the guy and goodluck. I'm maybe missing something here, but if nobody freak out anywhere... Why shall we be scared here ? We already saw people going away with dayz... We should be used to... No ?

[0.64 Freerider 261]

1 hour ago, Max Planck said:

Let's all keep the personal remarks out of the discussion now. Otherwise this topic will be going rancid real fast, and I will have to close it. And, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary, I don't like doing that.

Not sure if this is directed at me but I have only pointed out that the person accusing others as troll, which is what @hemmo did, is himself behaving like one. I'm also unsure why the topic would be closed if a few people can't behave themselves according to the rules.

If I have violated any of those, please point me to it, as you have before. Quite frankly anyone who repeatedly breaks the rules should be banned from this topic and that includes me of course. But threatening to close the topic doesn't make any logical sense to me. You don't close a bar because two drunk guys make trouble. You throw them out...

[0.64 Freerider 261]

37 minutes ago, Lt.Master said:

Well, personnaly I don't really care if I have not a single information until the update drop... It was like that with The Forest and nobody cryed x)

We could say the same thing with CS:GO thinking about it 🤔

But the original subject of this topic was about the missing roadmap(or preview) and Peter.

About the roadmap or any preview I don't care at all.

About Peter, I don't really see why people freak out... The main writer and designer left the subnautica team a while back and no one gave a dam... Same thing for Minecraft and still no one cryed, they've just said goodbye to the guy and goodluck. I'm maybe missing something here, but if nobody freak out anywhere... Why shall we be scared here ? We already saw people going away with dayz... We should be used to... No ?

I will reply to this in a year...

[Tarkules 153]

On 6/16/2019 at 2:57 PM, pilgrim* said:

What energy would you use to power your generator if  "the world ever comes to an end"?

steam? = ( petrol ? or coal? or wood fire ? )

- or a water wheel? - or windmills? - or slaves?

- molten salt and solar mirrors ?

- nuclear ?

 

I don't really care about that...

I just want some news, a status report or any official road-map / set of goals - anything.

When I bought the game a few years ago - I knew what to expect and I waited patiently.

Now I am being asked to wait a little more, while the developer decides not to reveal it's road map anymore.

Excuse me, but WTF? Where is the transparency?

 

It's not about the money and not about personal feelings or opinions regards the industry or the developers.

It's about selling a vision to your customers, sharing it with them, listening to them and growing with them.

That what makes a thriving gaming community.

[Max Planck 7174]

1 hour ago, 0.64 Freerider said:

Not sure if this is directed at me

Not you, I've edited my post to make the intention more clear.

1 hour ago, 0.64 Freerider said:

I'm also unsure why the topic would be closed if a few people can't behave themselves according to the rules...

 ...threatening to close the topic doesn't make any logical sense to me. You don't close a bar because two drunk guys make trouble. You throw them out...

I fully agree, on principle. Though sometimes a topic can generate so much anger that it becomes unsalvageable. In those cases I find it better to close it and let the discussion start anew elsewhere, instead of handing out a bunch of warning points over words said in the heat of the moment. But it's a fine line, and I'm a happy amateur.

Edited June 17, 2019 by Max Planck

[hemmo 55]

46 minutes ago, Max Planck said:

Not you, I've edited my post to make the intention more clear.

I fully agree, on principle. Though sometimes a topic can generate so much anger that it becomes unsalvageable. In those cases I find it better to close it and let the discussion start anew elsewhere, instead of handing out a bunch of warning points over words said in the heat of the moment. But it's a fine line, and I'm a happy amateur.

Yeah ok, my appologies for appearing to troll. English isnt my primairy language, and i did go on the border on purpose.

Again my appologies and i'll choose the words more carefully.

Back to the point however @Freerider. You can not ask me this as its part of a playing experiance, and its too easy to bluntly simple compare apples with cans of beans coding wise... If i had the time i would, but sorry.. i rather play the game 😁

Edited June 17, 2019 by hemmo

[smiley_ie 26]

Dev-Team could learn a thing or two from this.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-division-2-devs-response-to-crunch-and-player-/1100-6467822/

[0.64 Freerider 261]

7 hours ago, hemmo said:

Yeah ok, my appologies for appearing to troll. English isnt my primairy language, and i did go on the border on purpose.

Again my appologies and i'll choose the words more carefully.

Back to the point however @Freerider. You can not ask me this as its part of a playing experiance, and its too easy to bluntly simple compare apples with cans of beans coding wise... If i had the time i would, but sorry.. i rather play the game 😁

You don't need time to compare the list I've sent you to what's actually ingame. You just need to read it once (~1 min) and then just not reply, because that is the correct answer: nothing

That being said, you clearly have fun playing the game, so have fun!

[sneakydude 480]

On 6/17/2019 at 5:50 PM, 0.64 Freerider said:

You don't need time to compare the list I've sent you to what's actually ingame. You just need to read it once (~1 min) and then just not reply, because that is the correct answer: nothing

That being said, you clearly have fun playing the game, so have fun!

Sadly i dont think you will find the responses on these forums anymore. It would be nice, if a new team decided to give it a direction. Truly we cant wait to have the game finished by modders can we?

[0.64 Freerider 261]

8 hours ago, sneakydude said:

Sadly i dont think you will find the responses on these forums anymore. It would be nice, if a new team decided to give it a direction. Truly we cant wait to have the game finished by modders can we?

Yeah, hope dies last...

[kopo79 426]

what is politics behind this"not answering anything" in forums?
really...no official discord?
is this community so hated and banned from bohemia side or are devs really so lost about their game engine that they even cant answer just some tiny guestions...
is fishing allready in development and is there allready some mechanichs developed for the bows?



if i go to dead matter discord server and ask  something about features...its half hour when i have my answer..
but in dayz official forums....about fishing....latest answer was about fishing that"fishing is not coming this year"....and year was 2018...
please.
examble answers would like:
fishing=yes
bow=no
and all the answers between
 

Edited June 19, 2019 by kopo79

[Max Planck 7174]

5 minutes ago, kopo79 said:

really...no official discord?

There is an official Discord. I'm not sure how to link it though, because I'm rather old.

Maybe like this?

https://discordapp.com/channels/130030068377452544/130030068377452544

[IMT 3190]

2 hours ago, Max Planck said:

There is an official Discord. I'm not sure how to link it though, because I'm rather old.

Maybe like this?

https://discordapp.com/channels/130030068377452544/130030068377452544

https://discord.gg/v3cacTE

[Max Planck 7174]

5 hours ago, IMT said:

https://discord.gg/v3cacTE

Thanks, that works.

[drgullen 593]

2 hours ago, Max Planck said:

Thanks, that works.

Just out of curiosity, which employees from Bohemia would we find on this "official" Discord server?  Are we actually able to speak to someone on the development team and ask them questions or is it just a verbal version of this forum?

[Max Planck 7174]

15 minutes ago, drgullen said:

Just out of curiosity, which employees from Bohemia would we find on this "official" Discord server?  Are we actually able to speak to someone on the development team and ask them questions or is it just a verbal version of this forum?

Impulz and Baty handle pretty much all the customer facing stuff. So yeah, the latter. Except in writing, more than verbal.

[hemmo 55]

10 hours ago, kopo79 said:

what is politics behind this"not answering anything" in forums?
really...no official discord?
is this community so hated and banned from bohemia side or are devs really so lost about their game engine that they even cant answer just some tiny guestions...
is fishing allready in development and is there allready some mechanichs developed for the bows?



if i go to dead matter discord server and ask  something about features...its half hour when i have my answer..
but in dayz official forums....about fishing....latest answer was about fishing that"fishing is not coming this year"....and year was 2018...
please.
examble answers would like:
fishing=yes
bow=no
and all the answers between
 

Yeah the thing is only, that history has leard that as soon as they say: "were going to do this", the following will happen:

Person 1 says: "Why didnt happen this sooner as promised!"

Person 2 says: "But why did they put ×× first in the game? When do we get xx?"

Person 3 says: "Its not on the roadmap 2019 as stated here! When do we get xx?"

Person 4 says: "Its doesnt work its bugged!"

Person 5 says: "I dont like it, its never going to happen. Its a money grab!"

Person 6 says: "Oh nice" And then the first 5 persons start to attacking him with their remarks and wants...

 

The point is that its better to say nothing... just play and relax guyss. Its summer, go outside and enjoy the weather. 

Edited June 20, 2019 by hemmo

[aux7 233]

4 minutes ago, hemmo said:

Yeah the thing is only, that history has leard that as soon as they say: "were going to do this", the following will happen:

Person 1 says: "Why didnt happen this sooner as promised!"

Person 2 says: "But why did they put ×× first in the game? When do we get xx?"

Person 3 says: "Its not on the roadmap 2019 as stated here! When do we get xx?"

Person 4 says: "Its doesnt work its bugged!"

Person 5 says: "I dont like it, its never going to happen. Its a money grab!"

Person 6 says: "Oh nice" And then the first 5 persons start to attacking him with their remarks and wants...

 

The point is that its better to say nothing... just play and relax guyss. Its summer, go outside and enjoy the weather. 

yep, completely agree. Lifes too short . . . enjoy what  we have, give them feedback when they ask for it (bug reports etc).

a number of other game houses have done the whole keep quiet and release stuff when its ready .. . (no mans sky)

What does bother me is all the feedback platforms to scan . . . . . . . Discord, this forum, reddit, steam, and twitter Dayz. It would be nice if we could count on one path to up to date information. I would suggest that this forum is good for Bohemia, and should be the lead  .. .  . . getting information before the other channels .. .