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dude i said "do you also compare Mario Kart 8 with Gran Turismo?"
lol i know what you said, but your analogy to me makes no sence. but i see the point your trying to make. Mario is more like kid racing or arcade racing, compared to grand turismo.
Dayz and h1z1 fall under the same zombie survival, given that the crafting in h1 is more arcade maybe, but it doesnt make into the question you made, just because dayz tries to simulate are more realistic type of crafting or graphics. H1 just because has a not so realistic graphics doesnt mean it is inferior and is hard.
Need to remember that dayz came from a mod based on a soldier combat simulation, thats why all like it cause it is a hard learning curve, while h1 is quick learning curve for a harsher game play. Any way i could keep going.
thats why your question made no sence.
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do you also compare Mario Kart 8 with Gran Turismo?
dude what?
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We'll see what happens. DayZ has been out for a long time now. People are used to it and it's not new. H1Z1 has just been launched and people are excited about it.
This is because there hasn't been a decent zombie survival game yet.
H1Z1 release day and the zombies are crap and buggy - that's been fixed in what, a week? They have different zombie types and you get hordes and the zeds have different AI too. Now H1Z1 may not be right now the best game of it's genre but where is it going to be in 6 months time or a year from now? As long as the Pay 2 Win element is removed and they can deliver more of what they want then it might be the game everyone moves to and if DayZ can't keep up then that's just the way it goes. People will flock to the game that gives them the better Zombie experience.
So now we have H1Z1 out, we'll see the rate of progress between the two - the race is on I guess :)
Like i said for the first two days or so the air drops had p2w items, weapons and other tools. while they said that it was going to be only skin type items. however because ppl really aggro on that they fixed it and removed the weapons, i havent played it for two days, and when i logged in yesterday in like a min or so i had to waste my 20 arrows around the houses i was searching plus got luck and found a car then i found that there was like 3 bases around and that could have been a player´s car cause it was green.
Plus they are hard on hacking.....indeed the race is on.
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well here is my 2cents. been playing since mod, i do have some good found memories and what i am saying is that i am found of dayz, there were some improvements however since it came out, i also got h1z1. Now i am not trying to do game X vs game Y but i must say that h1z1 for me at least had a good start minus the air drops that had weapons but was fixed. I understand that h1 still will have some fixing, but my point is. All the stuff that dayz SA said was going to do, H1z1 has already in its early stage. I mean i actually have to worry about zombies, wild life, players and hunger/thirst and i can make my base, though is hard as a lone wolf.
It comes down to engine, and who is backing it, yes dayz is still alpha and all however like i said comparing the progress of both games dayz is lacking, yes there is tons of items but the point of us scavenging for them is to survive make camps, have the upper hand over other ppl/groups sadly it not there yet. I know dayz sa team planned for 2015 but by then could be too late. Now i say this knowing that games take some years to finish.
By now i just don´t know, back a few months i was saying wait and see, but now......
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It's called "an argument from authority" and no, it's not good enough. You either source your argument or you make non at all. Evidence and facts are what win arguments, not hearsay and conjecture - it's how you get to the truth :)
ok let me pull out the reports we had? and i have showed a source. funny thing is this a forum of a game, and you argument of evidence and facts are a double edge thing, because if they are fake and i was able to convince you would still beleive what i am telling regardless? in fact something that the media does today. Dont care if you believe me or not but when i was in areas not katrina where i saw the worst and the good of human beings is true.
I also could say that what ever you are saying is invalid and call for proof.......
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During Hurricane Sandy, my city of Hoboken, NJ was completely flooded and blacked out for a week. (Ironically, with my "post apocalypse gear" of North Face vest, flannel shirt and baseball hat, my wife said I "looked liked a character from that stupid zombie game I play"). To be honest, at times it did feel creepily like Cherno and Electro at night with all the blacked out buildings. Not to mention all the unsubstantiated rumors of looting and whatnot. But we didn't form into warlord clans and wage war against neighboring Weehawken. (Mostly because my wife kept nagging me "stop trying to build a warlord clan to wage war against Weehawken!"). Sure a major factor is that we expect order and infrastructure to be restored in a few days. But another major factor IMHO, is that it's very difficult to survive alone IRL as a raging asshole.
The Walking Dead is mostly bullshit. You're in a zombie apocalypse with a group of friends and meet another group, do you think about fucking eating them or do you think "hey..if we combine our forces, we have twice as many able-bodies, guns, eyes watching for trouble, people to shoot the shit with. Particularly in The Walking Dead where there's a supermarket full of groceries to loot every 2 miles.
The "finished product" isn't going to change much from the current state with respect to bandits. The main problem is that it's always easier to just kill someone and take their shit rather than cooperate. This was a problem in the Mod, the Standalone and will probably be a problem in H1Z1. I don't really know how to solve this (or if it should even be solved). But I don't think any of these games have figured our how to not turn onto a giant death match.
thats the thing, well first i am glad you and family came out healthy. but my point was the event in a global level. I am not trying to come across that i have no faith in humanity, honestly humans are more cruel when it comes to power and ideals. however like i said and not to make a small deal of sandy´s outcome it was still a "small" area compared to the rest of the nation/globe. Though you did up bring something interesting sandy vs katrina, and how ppl reacted. A ZA will never happen but who knows, there are other threats that will have same psycological effect of such events if prolonged and to tie this up as far as RF lets hope it never happens yet something yo be aware of.
As for the game, mechanics are there so it is planned for, i feel the more play style the better for the game, makes chernarus feel bigger.
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So....you learn or you die. With something like that, you learn fast.
yeah but there isn't much room for mistakes, but is skill vs mindset
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Then post some damn sources proving your point. Or, post some actual sources that prove me wrong about Katrina, other than "I was there, and I heard some rumors". I am not saying there wasn't looting and violence, I am saying that most of the reports made by the news media (where we get most of our ideas concerning Katrina and New Orleans), were exaggerated at best and at worst, completely made up.
And, so long as we are in an organized group, the "psychological effects" don't really apply.
so a source who used to work for the government specially in intel is not enough, lol i dont know about you but i never trust the media.
a good exemple was the news when sadam was captured, we had him for a week already when cnn showed the news. here is one http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2009/08/secret-history-hurricane-katrina i said my unit was there not that i went there, and being national guard it was changed the way we trained for situations like katrina, and had first hand accounts and shewed even if i didnt train right, in other words rdy for combat.
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1) While you wait for your crops to grow, you:
-Go hunting/fishing/trapping
-Work on crafts. Carpentry, weaving, blacksmithing, etc etc etc
-Repair/maintain equipment. Sharpen axes, make new handles for tools, flatten out shovels
etc
Farmers didn't just sit around and twiddle their thumbs while they waited for crops to grow. Plenty of work that needs to be done, and even if it is, you could always work on trade supplies (hides, furs, cloth, cash crops {tobacco, spices, etc], seasoned lumber, dyes, etc).
2) Most actual "survivalists" say that cattle would be the last animal you want to raise, just like chickens. They require too much land, too much feed, too much time, etc all for a relatively low return. Goats are where it is at. Meat, wool, milk, horn, all from an animal that is small (can be kept in small enclosure), relatively independent, etc. Cattle were "status" animals throughout history, not "food" animals, because of the relative difficulty and expense involved in keeping them.
3) Farming is a group activity. I would expect at least a part of the 7 billion people to go and offer their labor to armed militias, who protect them in return for the harvest of their labors. Essentially, we would become a feudal/tribal society again. The "peasants" (who, in all actuality, were not treated badly during the Middle Ages) don't even really have to know how to farm. They just organize into work-gangs, and do what the people in charge of the compound say ("Dig this irrigation ditch","Now, we are going to plant "x", "You guys, cut and split this firewood", etc). Books would be worth their weight in gold because of this.
thats what i am trying to get at, the % of ppl who can actually go in wild and know what they are doing is very small, this including military out of 7bi. ppl
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Name a point in time during the entirety of human existence when we have lived without some form of laws, either written or unwritten, and I will call you a liar.
PS: the amount of looting and crime that occurred during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina was greatly exaggerated by news media. Most of the "reports" were either completely made up, exaggerated beyond belief, or mere rumors.
http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/demonizing-the-victims-of-katrina/
were you there?
cause my unit was, and i using katrina as point of reference. dude lol according to this 1754 bc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi but i am not putting what we went through in history versus what we can do today and can happen in the future if it happens. Because for one most ppl knew how to live of the land, or rather knew how to use to raw materials in everyday lives vs today we all just go to make MC donalds (sarcasm)
but going back to what you said i am not talking about law alone i am talking about psycological effects.....
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FYI, farming is "living off the land". Farming is hard, especially when you lack synthesized fertilizers and machines to till the soil.
yes i know is hard, farming vs hunting, shall we? you kill a dear you gut it and skin and a couple of ours you have cooked meat. farming, takes months depending of number/ size of crop but if we are to discuss one tomato it will take one month at least for it grow if i remember right and what are you going to do while you wait for it grow?. raising cattle even more work. Now with everything going crazy do you think ppl will have time to be able to raise crops and cattle?
BUT here is the real question out of 7 billion ppl how many have the skills or know to actually do all that, while they are starving, left out to weather hazards, not protected by your local law or goverment? Katrina was just that my unit was one of those to go for katrina we had reports of 10 year old with 9 mils in hand.
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That is the thing: "the period until people adapt to the new reality" would be pretty short, between a couple weeks to a couple months. After that, people would get their shit together, and society would begin again.
dude is easy to assume that it will be quick. look at katrina how long it took to repair it or try to and yet it is not at 100% now that's with a running government. you and try to guess that would be a short period but it all depends on how many are alive, the size of dmg to infrastructures, scarcity of food vs numbers of people.
but bottom factor is their mind. Its not as easy or quick as you may think, things move fast today because we are connected and money can be wired in an instant, like i mentioned before i am looking at worst scenario.
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So you mean thousands of years ago we had governments? That's funny, I thought we developed those over centuries which if true, means we had chaos ruling yet we still managed to join together and build what we have today.
Also, how many people do you know that want to go around murdering other people because I don't know anyone and I know a large number of people and that's not counting the people I've met.
If a ZA happened, you would love to see another human being. There's absolutely no way on this planet that you wouldn't want to see other people.
i am looking at modern society, basing on how many really know how to live of the land and not only farming. I saying this from former military service in intel where we actually saw that deep scary stuff of what poverty and other areas can do to a person´s mind, how in Iraq a neighbor would tell of his friends stash of ak74s to get some reward also hence why i mentioned what they do to those steal just two potatoes in Africa.
now ask you this how people you know of that can live without relying on supermarkets? given that depending of whatever disaster, it might have a big effect on crops and etc. like some one noted this scenarios will bring the very best or the very worst out of people. I am not basing on ZA but also weather or nuclear disaster not even counting if the government is running or not.
Also its not about if they can or are capable, is a matter if they can be strong mentally or not to face desperation.
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If this were true the human race would never had survived. However, anthropology and history prove you wrong.
because as of yet we never had real global collapse. where government falls apart and total chaos rules the street. man if ppl dont have wifi these days they all get upset fast, imagine if there is no more food being produced, markets being ran sacked in the first couple of weeks and so on. im talking about worst case scenario, true we do seek to be civilized, but remember the black plague?
my point of view comes from where we as a society most ppl have have desk jobs and credits in the bank, ppl dont know where or how get food the way we did back a few centuries ago. look up the show naked and afraid and they were suppose to be survivalist.
also im not talking about if we make it or not as a species but talking about the choas in between and not the outcome, the period until ppl actually adapts to the new reality.
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I tell you guys something almost every build since I been playing, I go with the mosin with LRS and .357 combo since last feb. So yeah sometimes I shoot player, zombies and animals at really long ranges...Its fun dont knock it. It isnt just point and click like ricp says, you gotta figure out distances, find a good position and deal with sway. But if you think for a second I just hide away some where you got another guess coming. In fact the last jerk off I shot in game was at point blank, idiot tried to sneak up on me. So I dont wanna hear your anti mosin talk, anti long gun talk. Infact 90% of the KOSers "Bandit" use ak style rifles or M4s....OP is really drawing negative attention to a play style that dosnt need it and he sure as hell doesn't "REP" me. He should keep it to him self.
Overwatch and scout play style is also super helpful for group play. Theres allot of asome things about it.
Its prob OPs vary 1st mosin with Ghillie suit ever, and its going to his stupid dumb ass head. Prob some teenager who dosn't know his ass from a hole in the ground yet.
God dam kids these days JESUS CHRIST!
true sniping. this is me and my friend and brother we had a group coming to nw and i caught a glimpse of them as we left. i dont usually snipe and im more of the up close and personal and yes it is not as simple as many make it. I was spotting for them
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No, we wouldn't be trying to kill each other for a can of beans. We would try to rebuild society since we only had one life to live.
Example: All of the poor, starving people in central Africa aren't murdering each other for food. The killing is a political power struggle between Christians and Muslims.
try living outside of US or any first world country and come back with your post to see if it changed. i lived half of my life between US and Brazil. To say ppl will not kill for food and give Africa as an example? dude go look up gore type sites IN AFRICA they burn thieves who steal one or two potatoes alive in the middle of the street in broad day light.
In some ghetto neighborhoods here in Brazil if you look in the wrong way and the criminal doesn't like it your dead.
As to the OP Welcome to dayz, it will mess with your head, not because of the game but because of how humans think. Even if a zombie apocalypse will/might never happened any brake down of modern countries where ppl became so used to everything being manufactured will cause all the problems that has been touched in this forum in the past years.
And bandits are needed it is part of it.
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So, let us examine the actual population density of this figure, shall we? Assuming that infected will be located around the entire map (preferable), rather than concentrated in cities (which makes surviving them trivial)
Chernarus: 225 square kilometers, including water, so let us assume that there is about 200 square kilometers of territory available. This was also the old map, so let us use instead the new Chernarus Plus map, and assume that there is now 225 square kilometers of available land area.
So, now we do some simple math.
5000 infected / 225 square kilometers = approx. 22 infected per square kilometer, assuming they are all spread out in equal numbers.
This means that, in the entirety of the Chernogorsk metropolitan area, there could be 11 sq km x 22 infected = 242 infected. So.... don't fire a rifle in Cherno?
oh the dream of zombie train in cherno like the old days but better
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There is broken bones effects! I was attacked by 3 zeds from behind in Dubky. In less than 2 seconds they broke my legs and ruined my clothes and most of items in it.
but did you craw after that? i had a couple of broken bones but didnt really see any big changes other then my arm is broken or leg messege. either my point was that it was more often in the mod then in SA
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you want npcs? fine go play the epoch mod.........
anyone here remember the thrill of going to nw and having for sure tons of zombies spawning while looting, and the potential of another group or a sniper in the surroundings?
like a broken recorder the Zs are place holders atm, every other mechanism is being worked on as well, so the game we have now is not the final game yet. Dayz is player+zombies we can´t separate the two is what the risks are based on along with the health mechanism we have now....in the mod once you played for a time and figured how zombies worked they were a push over yet a threat if a mistake was made, right now we dont have the broken bones effects yet, where you go prone like in the mod or a straight knock out by a zombie, in the mod you still had the chance of that happening even fully geared.
all gotta do is wait to the end of the year and see.
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There are some really mundane moments in my life that I don't need to relive while playing a game in my free time. One of those things is excretion. Some other things that I put in a similar category include tying my shoes, scratching my skin when I have an itch, remembering to blink, flatulating etc.
except that taking a crap is a real part of combat, since it is a simulator. As a former army, often times we needed to take a crap and still be on guard while taking a crap or having a battle body near by.
Nasty story i have, but to make short due to MREs i just couldnt hold one time and i really did mess my pants, luckly was a training exercise so i could go back to the barracks. Funny part is that the company commander plus one of the platoon sgts started sharing stories about that topic when they were driving us back, me in far end of the truck lol. any case it should make into the game.
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soooo why did you have to get that close with a long range rifle?
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There is a fine line though.
Sleep is bodily function too...but this is taking things to a whole new level.
anything we do in game is a bodily function.
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I know a guy who only has to go once a week. I have no idea how that works, but it sure is facinating.
That's, uhh... Definitely not how you get gonorrhea. I can't go into anymore detail here though, you'll have to ask your mum for clarification.
As for the topic, is it really that controversial? I mean, it's a basic bodily function and everybody does it. No biggie.
I don't see it on the roadmap though, it might have been pushed back (or even, sucked back up).
i meant haemorrhoids so fixed my post
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So Sexy made a very good point.
What about wiping?
Is TP gonna be a loot item?
What about washing up? You can get sick if u don't wash and eat food after. Is hand sanitizer gonna be a loot item?
What happens if you don't wipe? Do you get a rash?
It really just sounds less and less like fun as more points come up about it
in the mod we would find tons of trash loot toilet paper was one of them
The problem of DayZ SA - thread #999
in General Discussion
Posted · Edited by reapers239
well its been awhile since i last posted but i have been lurking here, in the hopes of..... something. Which so far its been the same circle it seems. Add stuff, didnt work/created bugs remove stuff and so on. Back when it came out i told people to be patient and wait and see. That has come and gone, Love the concept still and once i move back to the US at the start of the next month and get a nice pc i am getting arma3 and slapping the exile mod.
Like the OP said, and others Dayz started and showed how early access can make something happened, i also got H1Z1 and ark both newer then dayz yet way far ahead. It is sad really, there is no point in playing this game....